Britannist

"So what is England?" - Miss Joan Collins, David Hockney and other celebrities and well known people comment:

So what is England? | The Spectator

Britannist

Miss Joan Collins writes (brief extracts from the Spectator article on the link given in the last posting to this thread):

"It’s the politeness that I miss — the civility that was at one time the Englishman’s (and woman’s) global trademark. Englishness was an indomitable spirit that got us all through the war and the resolute and firm belief that England was the greatest country in the world evidenced by its heritage, culture and courage. Englishness was pride in our Union flag, and our monarchy, which was once the envy of the world. That’s what Englishness was, and is sadly no more."

Ea of Dune

Well the Left have had a big hand in messing this country up, and the Tories just turned a blind eye to the way the Left has infiltrated just about every sector of society. As long as the Tory boys had cash in their pockets they couldn't give a toss about the likes of us.

Ea of dune

Britannist

.....True .

Ea of Dune

Britannist> I really can't see why you cling onto the notion of the UK mate. Is it some kind of nostaligia? It's dead in the water look at the mess.
Even if Scotland where to stay as part of the UK we would never hear the end of the continuous whinging and the nepotism in the media etc. the sword of damoclese in the form of the SNP would still be there.
Unionist are essentially saying lets stay the UK and let the rot continue and let the anti-English MP's these folks keep voting for drag us into the EU.
UKIP have basically NO support in Scotland, the same with BNP, the Tories or any other true Unionist party of any bent.
I wouldn't include Labour as being true Unionists, they are just a bunch of deceitful liars whose only idea of Union has the word European slapped in front of it.
I'm not prepared to see England dragged down by the idiot left and toy assembelies and parliament who give these people succor.
We need to vote these people out, and UKIp need to wake up as they have NO real support in Scotland...

Ea of dune

Britannist

Thank you for your question, Ea of Dune - and thank you for taking the time to write your last posting to this thread.

A friend of mine in UKIP takes your view: that the Union (of the UK) is "dead in the water". However, I believe that the Union retains support in all parts of the UK (including England) despite the fact that 'nationalists' (i.e. anti-UK europhiles) are currently part of the internal administrations of Northern Ireland, Wales and of Scotland.

I believe that if a referendum were held in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland on whether they would wish to remain a part of the UK all three would vote for the status quo. There would be no large queues of people in referendum polling stations in Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland desperate to vote for their countries to to quit the UK and to give up their British passports.

It is true that support for UKIP is currently low in Scotland - although it is less than four years since the party got over 7% of the Scottish vote (the amount it got across the UK in 1999) in the last EU Election. Due to tactical voting, some people who would like to vote UKIP in Scotland are opting for other parties in order to try to keep the party they dislike the most out of power - not because they support independence from the UK (many of them do not).

I would add that 7% for UKIP in 2004 in Scotland was a good level of support considering that Scotland is, politically, a 'crowded field' (as is Wales and Northern Ireland) - Scotland already has a fourth party (the Scottish so-called 'National' Party - SNP) meaning that a newer party such as UKIP has a more difficult task in getting votes.

Remember that at the 1959 General Election in Scotland - the SNP got only 0.8% of the Scottish vote. UKIP, after just ten years' of existence, got over 7% of the vote in the 2004 EU Election in Scotland.

I do not want Scotland to quit the UK - but if she did then the Union of the UK would just carry on without her (consisting of Northern Ireland, Wales and England). We English have an ancient and historic link with Wales which was forged centuries before the formation of Great Britain in the 1707 Act of Union (of England/Wales with Scotland).

As for Labour (referred by you as in the quote above) - anti-English Labour (Lie-bour) brought in devolution in 1999 with the deliberate intention of ignoring England. Labour thought that it would be able to govern permanently with the europhile Liberal 'Democrats' in the Scottish Parliament but after only 8 years their devolution scheme in Scotland backfired on them. The SNP replaced them as the governing party in the Scottish Parliament 11 months ago and Labour now faces the possibility of losing seats to the SNP at the next General Election. While Labour is preoccupied with trying to see off the SNP electoral threat to them in Scotland, support for the Union of the UK is falling in England. The most recent opinion poll shows that over 11 million people (over 30% of voters) in England want her out of the UK. In denying England her own Parliament Labour risk causing support to increase in England for an end to the Union of the UK.

In other words, Labour's devolution plan which was to put Labour permanently in the driving seat in the Scottish Parliament has failed - and Labour's arrogant and outrageous refusal to give the people of England their own Parliament now risks causing resentment in England which might destroy the Union of the UK they claim to support.

The priority for pro-England people is to support the establishment of an English Parliament within the UK and the exposing of Labour as an anti-English europhile party which seeks to hold England and her people down.

We should also support efforts to inform the voters of Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland that 'nationalist' parties in those parts of the UK are nothing more than EU puppet parties who would turn their lands into powerless, toothless EU-controlled statelets within the EU Superstate and dead-end no hope euro (eurozone).

Sweetie Pie

What a sad deluded figure you cut B---anist

"I believe that if a referendum were held in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland on whether they would wish to remain a part of the UK all three would vote for the status quo."

Take the subsidies away and ask the question.

cassie

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Here we go again:
It is NOT a vexing question! It is merely a diversion from the real issue of according equity and fairness to England and its people!

I couldn't care less what 'public figures' think about this irrelevance ~ even inconsistent Joan Collins and eccentric David Hockney!


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Britannist

What a preposterous comment from you (first line of the quote above) - even more so when one considers the name you post here under.

There is no need to be personal (i.e. regarding what you wrote in the first line of the quote above). I assume you are a pro-England person and I think you need to show some manners to those who (presumably like you) support the establishment of an English Parliament.

As for your actual comment referendums in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (see quote above) - I do have an answer to it but in view of your rudeness I am not replying to it.

Now perhaps you will direct your hostile attitude at those who are anti-English rather than at me.

Britannist

I agree - no analysis need. Celebration of Shakespeare's Birthday and of St. George's Day should be subject to no debate for there is nothing to debate. We do not need to question what our nation is - no one abroad does regarding their own lands. In any case, England is one of the oldest nations and does not need to justify herself in any way (although many believe that there are more than a few other countries who ought to regarding their own less then perfect records).

St. George's Day/Shakespeare's Birthday (both, as we know, on 23rd April) should be celebrated by the whole nation of England and the day (or the nearest Monday to it) should be declared a Bank Holiday in England.