cassie

The government headed by Blair and dominated by Scots in prominent positions - such as Brown, Irvine, Falconer,Darling, Reid et al - was responsible for ensuring that the one ethnic group which could not be recorded in the 2001 Census was English. That was wholesale discrimination against a whole nation. By your definition, it was also racism. I guess one ensures that no official records are kept of a race or nation the identity of which one wishes to eradicate.

Do you know the differences between 'race', 'ethnicity' and 'nationality'? Your post suggests that you do not. You might care to check?


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Danny

Richard.I can assure you I will not crawl up anyones backside I am very much my own man.And will post contstrutive post comments as I see things.Perhaps things have gone to far I dont know if Steve Uncles attacks me personally I will reserve the right of reply and post in a polite and robust manner my right of reply as i see things.I have said the BALL IS FIRLMY IN Uncles COURT he was undeed banned for his abuse and Insults.which were a DISGRACE. so if he comes back and kick starts things again.He can only expect from me personally a robust defence of facts and figures.Which will come his way for DEBATE.Something Mr Uncles hasnt being able to handle so far.Indeed Uncles is on thin Ice and it could break very soon if he dosnt change and change very quickly.I can assure you Richard and Andrew that I will uphold to kentishman wish.But in the end its up to him either change your ways Mr Uncles OR GET OUT OF THE EDP and out of POLITICS all together.Such is the damage you Mr Uncles have caused your party and the wider English Nationalist movement.

BonnieDundee

The Westminister gov't is dominated by Englishmen and has been since 1707 and the labour party is mostly made up of them like the other major parties. If this is so then it suggests their is something flawed in English politics, if a few Scots can gain the reins and hold all these English to ransom.


Are you up to date with current science on the subject? Your post suggests you are not.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion . Background Readings | PBS

But my main point was that just because it might not be technically racism and might be ethnic or national discrimination, it doesn't make it any better.

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Rebirth

Westminster is lead by Scottish PM's and MPs who represent Scotland but rule England, with an iron hand.

It is not English politics, it is British politics. There hasn't been English politics for over 300 years. At this moment in time, (if you can get your head into the 21st century with the rest of us) Scotland has it's OWN political establishment that's known as the Scottish parliament. Something like 400 million pounds worth of parliament that was paid for by the 'British' taxpayer, (which is majority English).

And according to some, including other Scots, believe that's it's all a big waste because the EU are going to take over and parliament as you know it will cease. Divide and Conquer perhaps? You know, sometimes big can be useful when up against something bigger? It is mainly the EU that has this island under a thumb, with the help of the SNP and British establishment.

They are both pro-EU.

Also, by dipping into history when it suits gives the impression one is making excuses, which could also give the impression one is condoning the situation and is not totally truthful. We have had Scots in politics all the time as well as Scottish monarchs. Perhaps as England is 85% of the population (and still growing) they just had a larger amount of English MPs in Westminster?

Rebirth

Oh, I am all for re-evaluating the situation so all parties are satisfied. As for how it was hundreds of years before we was born, there is little I can do about it. I guess the over-representation mainly focused on the British identity and didn't take the national identity into account. A lot of those in England consider themselves British, don't hate them for it, it's just what they are used to.

They are waking up and are seeing how 'British' is overpowering their national identity to the point of it being erased.

BonnieDundee

Some of the leading MP's are Scottish, they rule with the consent of parliament and the entire Westminister establishment.

Which is and has been dominated by English. The British establishment is mostly English.

Which is wrong.

It can also bring context. Scots are in a few important Westminister places at the moment, that does not change the fact that the establishment has been dominated by English ruling classes.


One really, James VI and I. And he adandoned Scotland early.

Well from 1707 to 1850+ the whole establishment was run by the aristocracy and monarchy who were mostly English and thought mainly of England. Hence the continued Jacobite feeling due to annoyance at Westminister. From 1850 until recently the English still dominated the political establishment and still do. These MP's can't do much without that behind them.

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BonnieDundee

I don't know what you mean here? What over-represenatation? If you are talking historically, it was the English aristocracy and establishment that dominated Westminister.


I think English, Scottish and British identities are largely abrtractions. I can only really understand attachment for the local region.

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You are kidding right?

Ever heard of the phrase 'under the whip'? Are you aware of the corruption that goes on? Even the backbenchers in NuLab are hating Brown now.

Actually, it's dominated by a Scottish frontbenchers & PMs, English and many other races as it's more of a multicultural setup. I have no problem with multi-racial, but do question multicultural agenda.

What is it wrong?

I said I explained the population difference, but you are coming back with the same type of responce. What say do I have on the ruling class? I can't even vote them in or out. All about divine bloodline or something.

I mean, I know Mel Gibson feels rage over Jesus, but it was 2000 years ago.




1850? I wasn't there so can't confirm it. What does this have to do with 2008?

cassie

(1)Typical Scot! You have to go back centuries to defend your (weak) position! Can we confine ourselves to the last fifty years? After all, it was not until 1928 that all adults of 21years and older were able to vote!

The Westminster Parliament is 'dominated' by the Labour, Conservative & Lib Dem parties which, in aggregate, account for 95% of MPs. These parties are also 'dominated' by Scots. In addition to foreign born individuals, such as Patricia Hewitt, Keith Vaz, Gisella Stuart etc, over thirty of England's Parliamentary Constituencies (PCs) are occupied by Scots, selected by parties, dominated by Scots. There are no English individuals representing any PCs in Scotland. Yes, there is something seriously amiss!

Unless one concludes that, generally, Scots are superior to the English, there must be another explanation. By observation and by deduction, I conclude that it is widespread, semi-covert discrimination by Scots in favour of themselves and against the English. This discrimination is assisted by three factors (amongst others) in particular. The first is that the English, being more numerous, are not as aware of those who are Scottish and those who are not to the extent Scots generally are, especially when the latter are in England. Indeed, some Scots allow the impression to be gained without dispelling it that they are English. Scots generally regarded as English include (for example) Blair, Ancram, Rifkind, and Gove. I even heard another Englishman express surprise that Liam Fox is Scottish and, as far as I am concerned, that could not be much more obvious!

The second factor is mass communication in a modern, populous state. Here, national newspapers and broadcasters are of paramount importance. Here, Scots predominate and, not only are the English squeezed out, but also minor political parties. One has only to observe the current GLA elections to see how important publicity is and how coverage is skewed by broadcasters.

The third factor is that there has been a persistent and undeclared policy/practice/campaign - call it what you will - whereby the English have not only been discouraged from retaining their identity, but actively discouraged from doing so. Indeed, obstacles have been placed in the way of English identity as one discovers when one tries to assert it! Even now Scottish Brown is seeking to impose Britishness solely on the English whilst trying to convey the false impression that it applies equally to the Scots and to the Welsh. For example, Britishness lessons are only imposed on schools in England.

In marked contrast, the Scots and Welsh have been encouraged to retain their identities and are facilitated to do so.

(2) If you are suggesting that the link you've put up is in any way scientific, then I'm afraid you are deceived. It is merely an account unsupported by any objective evidence. Frankly, I would not read such fiction. Moreover, you have omitted to say in any way what the relevance of the piece is to anything.

(3) I'm afraid you've lost me here, and I do not know what it is you are referring to.


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BonnieDundee

Brown has to rule with parliament, judiciary, the labour party, the civil service etc and these are made up of mainly English. If they are being dominated by a few Scots there is something extremely rotten in the English political system.



But most of the power comes from rank and file English from the parliament and civil service to regular people. They need to do something if these few Scots are ruling only for Scotland.



Overrepresentation and funding for Scotland.

These ruling classes from rich city types to judges and labour party leaders are mostly English. They could easily remove these Scots.




I suggest a few history books.

Just putting your comments about Scots into context, English dominated the union for most it.

I can agree Scotland should not be overpresented nor overfunded but I don't see that this hysteria about them completely dominating England has much truth to it. There are currently high up Scottish MPs but they rule at the behest of an English dominated parliament, labour party, establishment and constituency. If it is true these should do something, it is as much their fault for allowing it to happen, but I don't think it is particularly true.

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How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.