The SNP as a modern independence party

Britannist · 15-04-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandFP

I dindt read much of the above. Firth the pic of the woman ironing is great. I am Scottish. The SNP ARE THE BIGGEST LOAD OF LYING
****, **********, ********, ****, ..............ETC. **** the SNP.

Good for you, Highland FP.

I am glad you criticise the europhile Scottish so-called 'National' Party (SNP).

A party which claims to want independence but would, if it had its way, transfer powers not from London to Edinburgh - but from London to the EU in Brussels.

The SNP is the political arm of the EU in Scotland which wants to destroy the ancient Scottish Pound and to dissolve Scotland into an EU Superstate in which Scotland would account for just 0.7% of the total EU population (or less).

The real SNP 'vision' of Scotland (not one they want the people of Scotland to become aware of) is Scotland as a weak and toothless EU-controlled statelet submerged into the eurozone.

Hot air from the EU-promoting SNP will be drowned out by the strong and powerful voice of Scottish Unionism.

BonnieDundee · 15-04-2008, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cassie

It's all in the mind! Anyone who sets any value on the daft slogan: "Whenever something is wrong, something is too big." is more to be pitied than blamed.

As Frankie Howard used to say: "It's wicked to mock the afflicted!"

I infer that you've nothing constructive to add to this thread?

_

Oh that hurts. Attacking a quote from someone you've never heard of let alone read, I mean you've got me on the ropes now.

BonnieDundee · 15-04-2008, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

The original post was quite promising, but unfortunately was spoilt by bickering. Shame really.

His name is Cassie not bickering.

Frith · 15-04-2008, 05:27 AM

Concerns, fears, hatred, whatever, of the EU can obscure the independence movement's aims in every country. Unionists will, understandably put the aspirations of nationalists of all kinds in the same category because Unionists (and the EU is a unionist entity) do not want independence for nation states. The UK is not a country and so independence really doesn't mean selling out to the EU, as this is voluntary, but leaving an old now increasingly unhappy unit.

The more the EU is used as a threat the less the appeal of independence will be to the fearful. Just because Scotland may or may not want to join the EU doesn't mean England will. And even that won't necessarily mean the two states after independence won't still have more in common with one another than either would have with the EU countries. The EU is in serious risk of coming apart. It's too large and its leadership belong to an outdated order. So independence is a good thing for nation states especially if they can effect this now without joining the EU as a raspberry to anyone else, which is what Ireland did in haste.

I don't know why some people are so obsessed with the Union. What is the big attraction for them personally? Especially as it appears to be coming adrift on its own. It will be interesting to see what the Tories do if they come in. Old boys always like unions because they stand to either gain or keep what they get by privilege, but today individuals have almost as much potential power and can build themselves into economic mavericks within groups. There are quite a number of these who support an independent Scotland.

Time will tell.

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15-04-2008, 05:27 AM	#54 (permalink)
Frith Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 660	Concerns, fears, hatred, whatever, of the EU can obscure the independence movement's aims in every country. Unionists will, understandably put the aspirations of nationalists of all kinds in the same category because Unionists (and the EU is a unionist entity) do not want independence for nation states. The UK is not a country and so independence really doesn't mean selling out to the EU, as this is voluntary, but leaving an old now increasingly unhappy unit. The more the EU is used as a threat the less the appeal of independence will be to the fearful. Just because Scotland may or may not want to join the EU doesn't mean England will. And even that won't necessarily mean the two states after independence won't still have more in common with one another than either would have with the EU countries. The EU is in serious risk of coming apart. It's too large and its leadership belong to an outdated order. So independence is a good thing for nation states especially if they can effect this now without joining the EU as a raspberry to anyone else, which is what Ireland did in haste. I don't know why some people are so obsessed with the Union. What is the big attraction for them personally? Especially as it appears to be coming adrift on its own. It will be interesting to see what the Tories do if they come in. Old boys always like unions because they stand to either gain or keep what they get by privilege, but today individuals have almost as much potential power and can build themselves into economic mavericks within groups. There are quite a number of these who support an independent Scotland. Time will tell.