The SNP as a modern independence party

cassie · 14-04-2008, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I think by hand he was referring to an example for the English.

Do you know what you are talking about?

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Frith · 14-04-2008, 01:51 PM

Well, I'm still waiting for someone to respond, but I think I know why they can't, or won't at the moment. So I'll give you further opportunity to expose your little self, shall I? Always bearing in mind that I can see you through my third eye and that you aren't a pretty sight, even in disguise.

You must be careful of unconsciously towering over me with your barely unexpressed idea of superior intellect. This can lead to stumbling on rocky bits the peasants hastily constructing your stairway to heaven may have missed when they knocked off a bit earlier than expected.

Mugabe did not say Brown was a black dot he said he was "a little dot on this world". He's as sarcastic as you are, cassie! And now Mr Brown no doubt understands why anything he says will be fobbed off because Uncle Bob thinks everyone else is insignificant. Mugabe has narcissistic personality disorder, an affliction of many people who go in for politics and end up in power. Eventually delusions of grandeur utterly wreck the grand plans they may have had concerning building a nation. Everything shrinks to their own little dotspace and to avoid having to acknowledge this they project the symptom onto their critics.

But back to you and why you just can't stand me, and a few others on this and other forumspaces. Let me tell you what I think, what my little voice is saying to me, you know, the one that never lies even though we don't always want to listen to it. Let me tell what is visible through the magic keyhole of that third eye I mentioned. Keeping in mind that I am a canny witch. If I hit paydirt then several minds are going to go "Ohhhhh" in unison. And others are going to go "damn!"

Personally, after observing you for some time I have come to the conclusion that you are not a silly internet troll, a yob with nothing better to do than mess up the threads of normal people's forumspace. You are far to intelligent for that and your diction is far too good and your knowledge of politics and political structures, practice, etc is far too advanced for you to be some insignificant troll species.

I think you are a Tory troll species. That explains your presence in the EDP and why you so diligently upset the various lynch pins in the fledgling structure of English nationalism and why, very important this, you are so venomous toward the Scots and their fast growing and alarming SNP. You're not alone, of course, you have brethren. And none of them like me. Mistake that, but that is a Tory weakness, misogyny. It's going to sink their boat. That and racism.

In the beginning when all was dark and the spirit of conservatism glided as yet over the void created by the post war vacuum, things worked reasonably well between the two great powers of labour and middle class. Between workers and old money, between ignorant workers and old school tie brigade paymasters. It was a more or less stable balance of "us" and "them", no matter how many uprisings rent the smoky air, "justice" prevailed. Then the mucky stuff hit the fan and the century shifted gear into the fifties and America (that problematic ally) burst onto the scene to make waves about freedom and the individual and to garner the new age scientific thinking with a space programme that altered mankind's vision forever. That buggered the works beyond repair for the old school tie brigade.

Things went from bad to worse, didn't they? Ignorant peasants became educated peasants. They got in all over the place, university, trade unions, job market. They started getting paid monthly instead of weekly and eventually the sods started talking in terms of yearly income. A catastrophe for the leather and tweed boys and all their property and real estate and nepotism and currying favour with Arabs and immigrant communities in order to break down the order of "us" and "them". And create new orders of "us and "them". How else could someone like Al Fayed get to call the Duke of Edinburgh a nazi and a murderer and his family a gang of bandits unless this was being tolerated by those who once held sway over who was "us" and who was "them"?

But that was then and this is now and now there are even worse rents in the fabric of old money and noblesse oblige. Now the buggers want independence. What a ghastly prospect. Imagine what will happen when the redistribution of wealth and opportunity gets into the hands of "them"! Doesn't bear thinking about. How dare the Scots even entertain the thought that they may be able to govern in their own right. Cheek. So what is to be done?

Quick, multiculturalism anyone? That will destroy any sense of identity in "them" and those who have all the cash and privilege will keep it and there will simply be a new manifestation of "us and "them". But there are problems.

One of those is called UKIP. One is called the BNP. Both equally fatal to any hope of maintaining the old status quo.

The other is the burgeoning nationalist fervour among all and sundry made worse by those wretched Scots, or as they like to call them, Scotch. It must be crushed or "us" and "them" will be no more - ever.

So I think people like you, cassie, lurk in every forum and web space, every little party and group to listen for any sign that the peasants are being supported by either money or individuals who are not quite in the league of "us" and who are going to either go over to "them" or who have already become firmly entrenched. Like weeds. They must be rooted out, or else the entire edifice of a very old and very smelly empire of "us" and "them" will come undone and fall to bits and be replaced by a new order of freemen and women who are going to take the reins of power away and use them responsibly and fairly and build their own wealth on the ruins of the ill gotten gains of ancient renegade monarchs and crafty clergy. Action stations! Prepare for combat! Send out troops who are capable of distinguishing "us" from "them". Buy over those who are still like "us" and terminate those who are like "them".

The Tories are going to get back in. They will be hoping for a return of prodigal sons to the family bosom. All will be forgiven, at a pinch, and all that lolly and property and power will remain where it was before. Whew!
UKIP has been deranged, the BNP Tory trolls will go home (job done) and the so-called English democrats (who used to be English nationalists before they underwent an odd metamorphosis) will collapse. Nothing nicer than when a plan comes together. Blair was one of "us" so he and his revamped new Labour will be fine. The two parties are now so similar it doesn't matter who goes where. The Lib Dems are just disaffected Tories who will go home or liberals who will move back. Always have been so toffee nosed and rich have the liberals. No problem there.

But Mr Salmon is a nuisance fish that cannot be hooked. The genuine renegade ex-Tories who went to UKIP and then to the EDP and finally started branching out all over the place into what is now being called "conservative nationalism" are a nightmare. Terminate as many as you can. Drub them, smear them, threaten them, put on disguises and hound them ... whatever it takes!

So the future looks rather interesting, to say the least. Just how many of these unpleasant renegades are going to be neutralised in real terms and how many are going to use the annoying Mr Salmon (and any other irritating Welsh or Northern Irish upstarts) to fuel their own ships? Who knows. It's a bit murky because you know who aren't yet back in the driving seat.

I think the ultimate disaster that is the so-called Iraq war, compounded by the fiasco that is the situation in Afghanistan will be cutting edge stuff in future elections all over the western world. The new nationalists don't like these wars and are going to put a stop to them and in doing so are going to put a spanner in the "special relationship" works and the anti-Islam crusade by fixing these problems rationally and for good. That will simultaneously stop this mad dash to theologize the secular west. Turkey will be relieved. It is seriously staring Islamic rule in the face on a scale that will cause bloodshed. The growth of Islamofascism is directly linked to western meddling in middle eastern affairs. And meddling in middle eastern affairs has been a source of great wealth for certain quarters in the west for many centuries. Putting a stop to that will be a Herculean task for any fledgling nationalist party, but well worth while.

If Mr Salmon can do it, he will start the breakthrough needed by the English to escape their own ruling elite. That's why I think Mr Salmon is standing on the brink of wide ranging historical change. And why I think you, cassie, so detest little old me and my mates.

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassie

Do you know what you are talking about?

_

Let's ask him

Frith did you mean example when you said lend a hand?

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 01:56 PM

You gotta be coming out from under your bridge, I'd already changed my typo.

cassie · 14-04-2008, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

Let's ask him

Firth did you mean example when you said lend a hand?

Typical Scot! It's FRITH - not FIRTH! Can't you read?

You've now admitted that you don't know what YOU are talking about!

Now, we're gonna be treated to a double act! Oh Gawd!

As you've not bothered to read it, the relevant words are: "I think the hand offered by the SNP to England is a strong one and a sane one and should be grasped by anyone with more than one brain neuron firing."

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BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 01:59 PM

I think you could of given that more bigotry. I mean you have the spirit of racism within you, you just have to unleash.

I mean seriously you really are a vile creature, I have not attacked you, I have tried to be civil to you but you seem to despise simply because I Scottish.

cassie · 14-04-2008, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

I think you could of given that more bigotry. I mean you have the spirit of racism within you, you just have to unleash.

I mean seriously you really are a vile creature, I have not attacked you, I have tried to be civil to you but you seem to despise simply because I Scottish.

Yes, I quite understand. Calling you a typical Scot must be insulting and construed as a racist attack! [Which race are you by the way?]

However, you may call me English if you can bear to do so!

__________________

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 02:02 PM

Quote:

As you've not bothered to read it, the relevant words are: "I think the hand offered by the SNP to England is a strong one and a sane one and should be grasped by anyone with more than one brain neuron firing."

That could mean an example, I was simply offering my interpretation. I have no idea why you would attack me for that. I offered it in all innocence.

BonnieDundee · 14-04-2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassie

Yes, I quite understand. Calling you a typical Scot must be insulting and construed as a racist attack! [Which race are you by the way?]

However, you may call me English if you can bear to do so!

__________________

How about a whinging pom?

Actually racism needn't be distinct ethnic groups. The Jews of Europe had long intermingled with non-Jews for instance.

cassie · 14-04-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

That could mean an example, I was simply offering my interpretation. I have no idea why you would attack me for that. I offered it in all innocence.

You are very, very touchy! I have not 'attacked' you; merely criticised your offering.

As for interpretation ~ what interpretation?

She [note she] referred to a 'hand offered by the SNP'. I dispute that. Therefore, I ask (repeatedly) for examples of how that 'hand' manifested itself - how it was actually offered? Neither you nor she can answer. I conclude that it is all theoretical and said merely to have yet another pop at English nationalism. The longer this thread gets, the more my opinion is being substantiated.

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14-04-2008, 01:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Frith Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 660	Well, I'm still waiting for someone to respond, but I think I know why they can't, or won't at the moment. So I'll give you further opportunity to expose your little self, shall I? Always bearing in mind that I can see you through my third eye and that you aren't a pretty sight, even in disguise. You must be careful of unconsciously towering over me with your barely unexpressed idea of superior intellect. This can lead to stumbling on rocky bits the peasants hastily constructing your stairway to heaven may have missed when they knocked off a bit earlier than expected. Mugabe did not say Brown was a black dot he said he was "a little dot on this world". He's as sarcastic as you are, cassie! And now Mr Brown no doubt understands why anything he says will be fobbed off because Uncle Bob thinks everyone else is insignificant. Mugabe has narcissistic personality disorder, an affliction of many people who go in for politics and end up in power. Eventually delusions of grandeur utterly wreck the grand plans they may have had concerning building a nation. Everything shrinks to their own little dotspace and to avoid having to acknowledge this they project the symptom onto their critics. But back to you and why you just can't stand me, and a few others on this and other forumspaces. Let me tell you what I think, what my little voice is saying to me, you know, the one that never lies even though we don't always want to listen to it. Let me tell what is visible through the magic keyhole of that third eye I mentioned. Keeping in mind that I am a canny witch. If I hit paydirt then several minds are going to go "Ohhhhh" in unison. And others are going to go "damn!" Personally, after observing you for some time I have come to the conclusion that you are not a silly internet troll, a yob with nothing better to do than mess up the threads of normal people's forumspace. You are far to intelligent for that and your diction is far too good and your knowledge of politics and political structures, practice, etc is far too advanced for you to be some insignificant troll species. I think you are a Tory troll species. That explains your presence in the EDP and why you so diligently upset the various lynch pins in the fledgling structure of English nationalism and why, very important this, you are so venomous toward the Scots and their fast growing and alarming SNP. You're not alone, of course, you have brethren. And none of them like me. Mistake that, but that is a Tory weakness, misogyny. It's going to sink their boat. That and racism. In the beginning when all was dark and the spirit of conservatism glided as yet over the void created by the post war vacuum, things worked reasonably well between the two great powers of labour and middle class. Between workers and old money, between ignorant workers and old school tie brigade paymasters. It was a more or less stable balance of "us" and "them", no matter how many uprisings rent the smoky air, "justice" prevailed. Then the mucky stuff hit the fan and the century shifted gear into the fifties and America (that problematic ally) burst onto the scene to make waves about freedom and the individual and to garner the new age scientific thinking with a space programme that altered mankind's vision forever. That buggered the works beyond repair for the old school tie brigade. Things went from bad to worse, didn't they? Ignorant peasants became educated peasants. They got in all over the place, university, trade unions, job market. They started getting paid monthly instead of weekly and eventually the sods started talking in terms of yearly income. A catastrophe for the leather and tweed boys and all their property and real estate and nepotism and currying favour with Arabs and immigrant communities in order to break down the order of "us" and "them". And create new orders of "us and "them". How else could someone like Al Fayed get to call the Duke of Edinburgh a nazi and a murderer and his family a gang of bandits unless this was being tolerated by those who once held sway over who was "us" and who was "them"? But that was then and this is now and now there are even worse rents in the fabric of old money and noblesse oblige. Now the buggers want independence. What a ghastly prospect. Imagine what will happen when the redistribution of wealth and opportunity gets into the hands of "them"! Doesn't bear thinking about. How dare the Scots even entertain the thought that they may be able to govern in their own right. Cheek. So what is to be done? Quick, multiculturalism anyone? That will destroy any sense of identity in "them" and those who have all the cash and privilege will keep it and there will simply be a new manifestation of "us and "them". But there are problems. One of those is called UKIP. One is called the BNP. Both equally fatal to any hope of maintaining the old status quo. The other is the burgeoning nationalist fervour among all and sundry made worse by those wretched Scots, or as they like to call them, Scotch. It must be crushed or "us" and "them" will be no more - ever. So I think people like you, cassie, lurk in every forum and web space, every little party and group to listen for any sign that the peasants are being supported by either money or individuals who are not quite in the league of "us" and who are going to either go over to "them" or who have already become firmly entrenched. Like weeds. They must be rooted out, or else the entire edifice of a very old and very smelly empire of "us" and "them" will come undone and fall to bits and be replaced by a new order of freemen and women who are going to take the reins of power away and use them responsibly and fairly and build their own wealth on the ruins of the ill gotten gains of ancient renegade monarchs and crafty clergy. Action stations! Prepare for combat! Send out troops who are capable of distinguishing "us" from "them". Buy over those who are still like "us" and terminate those who are like "them". The Tories are going to get back in. They will be hoping for a return of prodigal sons to the family bosom. All will be forgiven, at a pinch, and all that lolly and property and power will remain where it was before. Whew! UKIP has been deranged, the BNP Tory trolls will go home (job done) and the so-called English democrats (who used to be English nationalists before they underwent an odd metamorphosis) will collapse. Nothing nicer than when a plan comes together. Blair was one of "us" so he and his revamped new Labour will be fine. The two parties are now so similar it doesn't matter who goes where. The Lib Dems are just disaffected Tories who will go home or liberals who will move back. Always have been so toffee nosed and rich have the liberals. No problem there. But Mr Salmon is a nuisance fish that cannot be hooked. The genuine renegade ex-Tories who went to UKIP and then to the EDP and finally started branching out all over the place into what is now being called "conservative nationalism" are a nightmare. Terminate as many as you can. Drub them, smear them, threaten them, put on disguises and hound them ... whatever it takes! So the future looks rather interesting, to say the least. Just how many of these unpleasant renegades are going to be neutralised in real terms and how many are going to use the annoying Mr Salmon (and any other irritating Welsh or Northern Irish upstarts) to fuel their own ships? Who knows. It's a bit murky because you know who aren't yet back in the driving seat. I think the ultimate disaster that is the so-called Iraq war, compounded by the fiasco that is the situation in Afghanistan will be cutting edge stuff in future elections all over the western world. The new nationalists don't like these wars and are going to put a stop to them and in doing so are going to put a spanner in the "special relationship" works and the anti-Islam crusade by fixing these problems rationally and for good. That will simultaneously stop this mad dash to theologize the secular west. Turkey will be relieved. It is seriously staring Islamic rule in the face on a scale that will cause bloodshed. The growth of Islamofascism is directly linked to western meddling in middle eastern affairs. And meddling in middle eastern affairs has been a source of great wealth for certain quarters in the west for many centuries. Putting a stop to that will be a Herculean task for any fledgling nationalist party, but well worth while. If Mr Salmon can do it, he will start the breakthrough needed by the English to escape their own ruling elite. That's why I think Mr Salmon is standing on the brink of wide ranging historical change. And why I think you, cassie, so detest little old me and my mates. Last edited by Frith; 14-04-2008 at 01:58 PM. Reason: typo

14-04-2008, 01:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,451	You gotta be coming out from under your bridge, I'd already changed my typo. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

14-04-2008, 01:59 PM	#16 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,451	I think you could of given that more bigotry. I mean you have the spirit of racism within you, you just have to unleash. I mean seriously you really are a vile creature, I have not attacked you, I have tried to be civil to you but you seem to despise simply because I Scottish. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

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