Britannist

The desperation of Labour to stop England having equality with Scotland within the Union (i.e. England having the same domestic legislative powers as Scotland) is causing support for the Union of the UK to fall in England.

The current situation is that the europhile Scottish so-called 'National' Party (SNP) are trying to reduce support for the UK in Scotland - and, what with their anti-English policies, Labour (who claim to be UK Unionists) are making separatist feelings grow in England.

Richard the Lionheart

I am aware of your support Britannist, for a federal UK. I asked a question over whether or not we can expect an increase in head count, and was surprised to see such a very short answer without your usual clarification of facts.

How do you suggest a seperate English parliament within a federal UK is set up, without a single additional MP being recruited? I have noted your previous posts about parity for England with Scotland and the Scottish parliament, but you are aware that Scotland lost only 13 Westminster MPs which were replaced by 129 MSPs at Holyrood.

People have suggested they want to see an English parliament based on the Scottish model. The Scottish model requires 129 MSPs to manage Scotland's internal affairs for 5 million people. An English version based on the same principles for 50 million people would surely require 1290 English MPs would it not? If you reduce that number drastically, then you are not basing the English version on the Scottish model, and therefore there would be a different kind of English parliament to the Scottish version.

In my opinion, calling for an English parliament that has parity with the Scottish parliament will lead to a massive increase in MP numbers, something I do not believe the electorate would support.

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BonnieDundee

It is certainly not a pity I'm afraid. We don't need such montrousities, we need gov't closer to the people. By unitary I'm presume you mean a powerful central, Westminister gov't.

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Frith

If you really felt that way you wouldn't invest so much time and effort insulting people who support England. Your tactics are aggressive and your intention is obscure. And you are gathering foes on one hand and upsetting so many potential supporters on the other your intentions seem a little iffy.

And if you say I haven't anything intelligent to add, or that I'm a whimsical idiot, or that I can't substantiate my claims one more time, I'll know you are reading off a prompt stage centre right and that they haven't updated it for quite a while.

BonnieDundee

I agree entirely.

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BonnieDundee

An increase would be a good thing. It less people for a single MP to represent ie more democracy.

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Little Englander (sour)

Unionists to a man, all in denial - you dupes, the break up of the UK was brought about by the people of Scotland and Wales, do the research on the referendum results, but if you're too lazy yer tis:
Scotland voted for devolution - Fact.
Wales voted for devolution - Fact.
The people of Scotland and Wales got what they asked for.
England wasn't asked.
The blame lies not at Labour's door but at the portals of the electorate.
Live with it. or, as I prefer, try to do something about it.
OR
Shut up.

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cassie

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Do I detect another [to use your phraseology] 'personal attack' coming on.

These are just the kind of petty, sterile posts to which I was obliquely referring! Your presuming to question how genuine my comments are gives licence to question yours! Consequently, the question is: should one expect better from non-English people on an English nationalist thread? I think those posts give the answer loud and clear - NO!

The fact is that if you had anything sensible and constructive to say, you would not be cluttering up this forum with your bitchy, petty posts!

Please do not feel the need to respond - it is quite unnecessary! Focus on the thread itself!

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rjt

I certainly am a Unionist and am certainly trying to do something about the mess we are in by campaining for an English Devolved Body.

here is a fact you might consider of those who voted in the elections for the Scots, Welsh, and nothern Ireland devolved Bodies in the recent elections a clear majority voted for partys commited to continuing the Union.

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Northumbrian

That may be true for Northern Ireland, which has 2 unionist and 2 nationalist parties, but in Scotland and Wales the nationalists are outnumbered 3:1.

But even so, support for a political party can't be totally in line with a referendum question. For instance, 68% of the English public want an English Parliament, but don't back the political party which has this as it's main policy.

The best way to answer the question is via a referendum, but of course the people who oppose independence for these countries oppose the referendum as well.