Richard the Lionheart & his agreement with a Federal UK Policy

Johnny Hates Jazz · 13-04-2008, 01:42 AM

>From: "Richard" <email address removed>
>To: <email address removed>
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:16:43 +0100
>
>I believe the EDP should focus on just five key issues to associate the
>public with the party. These should be:
>
>1. A vote on withdrawal from the EU and establishment of a federal UK.
>These two issues need to be worked on hand in hand. A guest speaker at
>a recent Herts branch meeting stated that the real danger is the EU,
>and that should come before an English parliament because of the real
>threat of regionalisation, which emanates from the EU. Once out of the
>EU he believes that it would be much easier to plan for a federal UK. I
>am begininng to think he may be right.
>
>2. A proper asylum and immigration policy. This includes stringent
>requirements to obtain a work permit for this country,such as relevant
>skills, finance, command of the language, and cultural assimilation
>possibilities. Refusal to take in asylum applications from people who
>have passed through safe countries to get here. Immediate deportation
>of all failed asylum seekers still living here. Review of all asylum
>applications during New Labour's time in office.
>
>3. Better funding for health and education including the abolition of
>top up fees. This would include free eye tests, free dental check ups ,
>free prescriptions and encouragement to have regular medical check ups,
>using the money saved from contributions to the EU and the UK.
>
>4. Tough on crime and the causes of crime (a Labour phrase, but they've
>hardly carried it out have they?). Abolition of the parole board so
>that criminals serve the full terms handed out to them by the courts.
>
>5. Tougher targets for emmissions reductions and recycling, working in
>conjunction with environment groups such as Greenpeace and Friends of
>the Earth. Sustainable energy projects and affordable public transport
>provisions.
>
>It should be these key areas that the EDP should focus on. It is now
>time that the party selected people to act as spokespersons for certain
>issues, and we should begin to form a "shadow cabinet". We spend a lot
>of time on here moaning and whingeing about how unfair the UK is to
>England, but it's about time we started banging the drum about what we
>believe in. Let's turn the negativities of the UK into positives for
>England.
>
>
>
>According to MORI/YouGov, the most important issues in Britain today
>are: (in order)
>
>1. Health care and hospitals.
>
>2. Immigration and race relations.
>
>3. Foreign affairs including international terrorism.
>
>4. Education and schools.
>
>5. Crime, or law and order.
>
>It might be an idea to work around these ideas for the purposes of
>campaigning and promotion of the party.
>
>Tired old Britain or dynamic new England? It's your choice.
>
>English Democrats.....supporting the true values of England
>
>England is for life, not just the world cup
>
>English Democrats - uniting the people of England
>
>Who Are We? (Intro)
>
>
>
>Devolution has brought immense benefits for Scotland and Wales and we
>believe devolution can provide the same benefits. We therefore support
>the creation of an English parliament. A parliament for England will
>provide benefits such as: free prescriptions, free eye tests, free bus
>travel nationwide for the elderly,
>
>
>
>1. A properly managed and a properly funded health service for England.
>Through an English parliament, we will provide free eye tests, free
>prescriptions, and free dental check ups. NHS England will serve the
>needs of the nation. The priority given to a patient's treatment should
>be based on medical need, not artificial management targets. Bearing
>this in mind, we would create a N.H.S. Inspectorate on a similar basis
>to the very successful schools Inspectorate. Its purpose would be to
>raise standards of service, ensure equal quality of healthcare
>throughout England, and check malpractice in both the NHS and the
>private healthcare sector.
>
>2. We believe in a properly managed, points based immigration system
>which is for the benefit of the nation. Points should be awarded for,
>among other things: educational and professional qualification; family
>links with England; financial resources; the ability to speak English.
>In other words, entry should be determined by our needs as a society
>and the ability of newcomers to be absorbed into the prevailing public
>culture.
>
>3. The English Democrats believe that the people of this country should
>decide its future in Europe. We will therefore offer the nation a vote
>on withdrawal from the EU. We support greater resources for our
>security services in order for them to tackle the terrorist threat. We
>will tighten our borders, and deport all terrorist suspects. We will
>also carry out immediate deportation of foreign criminals who are being
>released from prison.
>
>4. England's prosperity is not based on natural resources but on the
>skills and enterprise of her people. Our wellbeing is bound up with the
>quality of education and training. We therefore support greater
>resources for continuing lifetime education, an end to tuition fees,
>greater discipline in our schools, and wider parental choice. We will
>also reduce class sizes, increase teachers pay, and improve buildings
>and equipment.
>
>5. The nation is in the grip of a crime epidemic, with daily news of
>stabbings, muggings and robberies. Many people are fearful of walking
>the streets at night. We oppose the British government's plans to
>regionalise our police forces which will make our policing remote from
>the public. We support the continuance of the county police structure
>with greater resources for community > policing.

Internationalist · 13-04-2008, 02:08 AM

I think it is wrong to post private emails in the threads and especially to post people's personal email addresses without their permission.

I would also say that the content of the email does not contradict in any way Richard's support for English independence. What are you trying to prove by posting this?

Bluemerle · 13-04-2008, 09:26 AM

Who is Richard?

Alex McKee · 13-04-2008, 09:29 AM

I have removed the email addresses and Richard's last name. Richard is "Richard the Lionheart" of this forum.

Richard the Lionheart · 13-04-2008, 09:46 AM

Readers will note the date that I originally wrote that email. It is almost two years old and my opinions have changed over that period of time. It really shows the depths to which Steve Uncles will go to in order to blacken people's names. He must spend all his waking hours trying to find any scrap of information he can to make Free England look bad. Shame on you, you are an absolute disgrace to English nationalism. Unfortunately, you are representative of your shabby and and pathetic party.

I'm sure the members of the forum are well aware of what kind of a person you are. It would appear you have no pride or self-esteem judging by the very sick and sad posts you make. If all you can do is sit and rake through old correspondence you must have no kind of life at all. No wonder people think the English Dumocrats are useless.

Haven't you got better things to do with your life?

Richard the Lionheart · 13-04-2008, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unionist

I think it is wrong to post private emails in the threads and especially to post people's personal email addresses without their permission.

I would also say that the content of the email does not contradict in any way Richard's support for English independence. What are you trying to prove by posting this?

Thank you for your kind words Unionist.

cassie · 13-04-2008, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unionist

I think it is wrong to post private emails in the threads and especially to post people's personal email addresses without their permission.

I would also say that the content of the email does not contradict in any way Richard's support for English independence. What are you trying to prove by posting this?

I very much agree with these sentiments. I wish to assure Richard that these threads will be widely seen for what they are (selective and partial), and he should not feel any need to lower himself to engage in tat-for-tat! I'm sure that both he and Andrew have much better things to do!

Because this is the second such thread I've seen, I'm driven to wonder whether I shall be next? However, two things should be remembered: (1) two can play at this game; and (2) I never sent an email which I would have been ashamed to have made known to third parties.

For my part, I have not published the emails which, as far as I can discern, gave rise to my ejection from the EDP. Indeed, the exchanges complained of were never sent by me beyond the confines of the National Council.

I am hoping that we can focus again on the GLA and other local elections in England this year, and allow this thread to die . . .

_______________________________________

Richard the Lionheart · 13-04-2008, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassie

I very much agree with these sentiments. I wish to assure Richard that these threads will be widely seen for what they are (selective and partial), and he should not feel any need to lower himself to engage in tat-for-tat! I'm sure that both he and Andrew have much better things to do!

Because this is the second such thread I've seen, I'm driven to wonder whether I shall be next? However, two things should be remembered: (1) two can play at this game; and (2) I never sent an email which I would have been ashamed to have made known to third parties.

For my part, I have not published the emails which, as far as I can discern, gave rise to my ejection from the EDP. Indeed, the exchanges complained of were never sent by me beyond the confines of the National Council.

I am hoping that we can focus again on the GLA and other local elections in England this year, and allow this thread to die . . .

_______________________________________

Thank you Cassie I hope you don't come in for the same kind of treatment. I think the whole thing is ridiculous. kentishman has really gone too far this time and should be careful because I have a whole stack of information filed away which would cause him and his party immense damage. If he wants to play that game he better be warned.

I think the party leader Robin Tilbrook really should reel him in and deal with him.

ANGLO-STAFFS · 13-04-2008, 11:03 AM

It was very depressing to read, yet again, Kentishman slagging off another English nationalist. If he put half of the effort into elections that he does into attacking Englishmen then the EDP might not be in retreat in the Dartford area.

I also note the slogan “English first, British second”. His postings disprove this. It should read. “My approved version of English first, British second.

But even this is contradicted by the flag he uses as a logo.
If he knew anything about the structure of flags he would realise that the most important quarter of a flag is the top left, nearest to the top of the flagpole. He has the Union Flag of The Uk in the senior/dominant position over The Flag of England.

Kentishman’s flag says “Britain first, England second.

Richard the Lionheart · 13-04-2008, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

It was very depressing to read, yet again, Kentishman slagging off another English nationalist. If he put half of the effort into elections that he does into attacking Englishmen then the EDP might not be in retreat in the Dartford area.

I also note the slogan “English first, British second”. His postings disprove this. It should read. “My approved version of English first, British second.

But even this is contradicted by the flag he uses as a logo.
If he knew anything about the structure of flags he would realise that the most important quarter of a flag is the top left, nearest to the top of the flagpole. He has the Union Flag of The Uk in the senior/dominant position over The Flag of England.

Kentishman’s flag says “Britain first, England second.

Interesting post Anglo-Staffs. It seems there's lots of rules to do with flags.

I think kentishman's avatar shows he quite clearly is putting Britain first. For some that's fine, but surely not for a supposed English nationalist?

13-04-2008, 01:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Richard the Lionheart & his agreement with a Federal UK Policy >From: "Richard" <email address removed> >To: <email address removed> >Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:16:43 +0100 > >I believe the EDP should focus on just five key issues to associate the >public with the party. These should be: > >1. A vote on withdrawal from the EU and establishment of a federal UK. >These two issues need to be worked on hand in hand. A guest speaker at >a recent Herts branch meeting stated that the real danger is the EU, >and that should come before an English parliament because of the real >threat of regionalisation, which emanates from the EU. Once out of the >EU he believes that it would be much easier to plan for a federal UK. I >am begininng to think he may be right. > >2. A proper asylum and immigration policy. This includes stringent >requirements to obtain a work permit for this country,such as relevant >skills, finance, command of the language, and cultural assimilation >possibilities. Refusal to take in asylum applications from people who >have passed through safe countries to get here. Immediate deportation >of all failed asylum seekers still living here. Review of all asylum >applications during New Labour's time in office. > >3. Better funding for health and education including the abolition of >top up fees. This would include free eye tests, free dental check ups , >free prescriptions and encouragement to have regular medical check ups, >using the money saved from contributions to the EU and the UK. > >4. Tough on crime and the causes of crime (a Labour phrase, but they've >hardly carried it out have they?). Abolition of the parole board so >that criminals serve the full terms handed out to them by the courts. > >5. Tougher targets for emmissions reductions and recycling, working in >conjunction with environment groups such as Greenpeace and Friends of >the Earth. Sustainable energy projects and affordable public transport >provisions. > >It should be these key areas that the EDP should focus on. It is now >time that the party selected people to act as spokespersons for certain >issues, and we should begin to form a "shadow cabinet". We spend a lot >of time on here moaning and whingeing about how unfair the UK is to >England, but it's about time we started banging the drum about what we >believe in. Let's turn the negativities of the UK into positives for >England. > > > >According to MORI/YouGov, the most important issues in Britain today >are: (in order) > >1. Health care and hospitals. > >2. Immigration and race relations. > >3. Foreign affairs including international terrorism. > >4. Education and schools. > >5. Crime, or law and order. > >It might be an idea to work around these ideas for the purposes of >campaigning and promotion of the party. > >Tired old Britain or dynamic new England? It's your choice. > >English Democrats.....supporting the true values of England > >England is for life, not just the world cup > >English Democrats - uniting the people of England > >Who Are We? (Intro) > > > >Devolution has brought immense benefits for Scotland and Wales and we >believe devolution can provide the same benefits. We therefore support >the creation of an English parliament. A parliament for England will >provide benefits such as: free prescriptions, free eye tests, free bus >travel nationwide for the elderly, > > > >1. A properly managed and a properly funded health service for England. >Through an English parliament, we will provide free eye tests, free >prescriptions, and free dental check ups. NHS England will serve the >needs of the nation. The priority given to a patient's treatment should >be based on medical need, not artificial management targets. Bearing >this in mind, we would create a N.H.S. Inspectorate on a similar basis >to the very successful schools Inspectorate. Its purpose would be to >raise standards of service, ensure equal quality of healthcare >throughout England, and check malpractice in both the NHS and the >private healthcare sector. > >2. We believe in a properly managed, points based immigration system >which is for the benefit of the nation. Points should be awarded for, >among other things: educational and professional qualification; family >links with England; financial resources; the ability to speak English. >In other words, entry should be determined by our needs as a society >and the ability of newcomers to be absorbed into the prevailing public >culture. > >3. The English Democrats believe that the people of this country should >decide its future in Europe. We will therefore offer the nation a vote >on withdrawal from the EU. We support greater resources for our >security services in order for them to tackle the terrorist threat. We >will tighten our borders, and deport all terrorist suspects. We will >also carry out immediate deportation of foreign criminals who are being >released from prison. > >4. England's prosperity is not based on natural resources but on the >skills and enterprise of her people. Our wellbeing is bound up with the >quality of education and training. We therefore support greater >resources for continuing lifetime education, an end to tuition fees, >greater discipline in our schools, and wider parental choice. We will >also reduce class sizes, increase teachers pay, and improve buildings >and equipment. > >5. The nation is in the grip of a crime epidemic, with daily news of >stabbings, muggings and robberies. Many people are fearful of walking >the streets at night. We oppose the British government's plans to >regionalise our police forces which will make our policing remote from >the public. We support the continuance of the county police structure >with greater resources for community > policing. __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections* Last edited by Alex McKee; 13-04-2008 at 09:28 AM.

13-04-2008, 09:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	I have removed the email addresses and Richard's last name. Richard is "Richard the Lionheart" of this forum. __________________ Anything I post on this web forum is my personal opinion only. Users on Ignore list: None.

13-04-2008, 09:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
Richard the Lionheart Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 607 Party: Free England Party	Readers will note the date that I originally wrote that email. It is almost two years old and my opinions have changed over that period of time. It really shows the depths to which Steve Uncles will go to in order to blacken people's names. He must spend all his waking hours trying to find any scrap of information he can to make Free England look bad. Shame on you, you are an absolute disgrace to English nationalism. Unfortunately, you are representative of your shabby and and pathetic party. I'm sure the members of the forum are well aware of what kind of a person you are. It would appear you have no pride or self-esteem judging by the very sick and sad posts you make. If all you can do is sit and rake through old correspondence you must have no kind of life at all. No wonder people think the English Dumocrats are useless. Haven't you got better things to do with your life? __________________ The Free England Party - England's Premier Nationalist Party www.freeengland.com .....Serious about England

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13-04-2008, 02:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Internationalist Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,063	I think it is wrong to post private emails in the threads and especially to post people's personal email addresses without their permission. I would also say that the content of the email does not contradict in any way Richard's support for English independence. What are you trying to prove by posting this?

13-04-2008, 09:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	Who is Richard?

13-04-2008, 11:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
ANGLO-STAFFS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 635	It was very depressing to read, yet again, Kentishman slagging off another English nationalist. If he put half of the effort into elections that he does into attacking Englishmen then the EDP might not be in retreat in the Dartford area. I also note the slogan “English first, British second”. His postings disprove this. It should read. “My approved version of English first, British second. But even this is contradicted by the flag he uses as a logo. If he knew anything about the structure of flags he would realise that the most important quarter of a flag is the top left, nearest to the top of the flagpole. He has the Union Flag of The Uk in the senior/dominant position over The Flag of England. Kentishman’s flag says “Britain first, England second.