This guy is going for it !

FredSucks · 08-04-2008, 03:04 PM

English Rose: I now declare my Lawful Intent to the Traitors in Parliament.

cassie · 08-04-2008, 03:41 PM

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Fascinating! It would be interesting to learn the constitutional basis for such a claim.

Apart from seeking a Dissolution of Parliament within forty days, it is not clear what Mr Harris has in mind. His affidavit is all rather grandly vague. Never mind, if it makes him feel better, it could be therapeutic.

I await the outcome with great interest, but I am somewhat pessimistic that it will achieve anything worthwhile.

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eublues · 08-04-2008, 05:16 PM

It's sad to see someone wasting his efforts so comprehensively.

Aardvark · 08-04-2008, 06:22 PM

This guy is barking.

Magna Carta 1215 didn't become law, but fell into desuetude almost immediately as John busied himself looking for an army to duff up the barons. It is later ratifications and later versions that came into force.

Clause 61 of Magna Carta 1215 is irrelevant in this case in any event as it concerns the powers of Barons to stop the King misbehaving.

The man has no right at law to do what he is trying to do and if he doesn't pay his taxes he'll have the bailiffs round to confiscate his goods.

Why of why do these people all come from our side of the fence?

Aardvark · 08-04-2008, 06:27 PM

This is what the guy is citing as his authority. I've read it and I can't understand how he thinks that this clause gives his affidavit any relevance.

You can swear anything you like on an affidavit. If you are fibbing then it is perjury, but the solicitor who witnesses it doesn't have to read it or give advice on it. The document is a legal document to that extent, but all it proves is that Mr Harris had £7 to pay a solicitor. It wasn't even drafted by a solicitor because then Mr Harris would have had to pay for legal advice. The advice he would have been given is that he shouldn't proceed with such a pointless exercise.

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61. Inasmuch as, for the sake of God, and for the bettering of our realm, and for the more ready healing of the discord which has arisen between us and our barons, we have made all these aforesaid concessions,--wishing them to enjoy for ever entire and firm stability, we make and grant to them the folIowing security: that the baron, namely, may elect at their pleaure twenty five barons from the realm, who ought, with all their strength, to observe, maintain and cause to be observed, the peace and privileges which we have granted to them and confirmed by this our present charter. In such wise, namely, that if we, or our justice, or our bailiffs, or any one of our servants shall have transgressed against any one in any respect, or shall have broken one of the articles of peace or security, and our transgression shall have been shown to four barons of the aforesaid twenty five: those four barons shall come to us, or, if we are abroad, to our justice, showing to us our error; and they shall ask us to cause that error to be amended without delay. And if we do not amend that error, or, we being abroad, if our justice do not amend it within a term of forty days from the time when it was shown to us or, we being abroad, to our justice: the aforesaid four barons shall refer the matter to the remainder of the twenty five barons, and those twenty five barons, with the whole land in common, shall distrain and oppress us in every way in their power,--namely, by taking our castles, lands and possessions, and in every other way that they can, until amends shall have been made according to their judnnent. Saving the persons of ourselves, our queen and our children. And when amends shall have been made they shall be in accord with us as they had been previously. And whoever of the land wishes to do so, shall swear that in carrying out all the aforesaid measures he will obey the mandates of the aforesaid twenty five barons, and that, with them, he will oppress us to the extent of his power. And, to any one who wishes to do so, we publicly and freely give permission to swear; and we will never prevent any one from swearing. Moreover, all those in the land who shall be unwilling, themselves and of their own accord, to swear to the twenty five barons as to distraining and oppressing us with them: such ones we shall make to wear by our mandate, as has been said. And if any one of the twenty five barons shall die, or leave the country, or in any other way be prevented from carrying out the aforesaid measures,--the remainder of the aforesaid twenty five barons shall choose another in his place, according to their judgment, who shall be sworn in the same way as the others. Moreover, in all things entrusted to those twenty five barons to be carried out, if those twenty five shall be present and chance to disagree among themselves with regard to some matter, or if some of them, having been summoned, shall be unwilling or unable to be present: that which the majority of those present shall decide or decree shall be considered binding and valid, just as if all the twenty five had consented to it. And the aforesaid twenty five shall swear that they will faithfully observe all the foregoing, and will caue them be observed to the extent of their power. And we shall obtain nothing from any one, either through ourselves or through another, by which any of those concessions and liberties may be revoked or diminished. And if any such thing shall have been obtained, it shall be vain and invalid, and we shall never make use of it either through ourselves or through another.

Millennium3 · 08-04-2008, 06:47 PM

It might be a pointless exercise A, but when an individual becomes so frustrated by the loss of the sovereignty of his nation, he [almost always he] can only do what he is able to do within the context of his capability.

This is a brave thing to do. As has been said, we do not know what he intends, but the likelihood is that he will suffer for his actions whether financially or through the loss of his liberty. If those who do know what is possible and what is not showed anything like the courage he is showing - we would not be in the position we are now.

Aardvark · 08-04-2008, 07:17 PM

It saddens me to see people clutching at straws. These actions just distract us from the fight to get elected.

Millennium3 · 08-04-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

It saddens me to see people clutching at straws. These actions just distract us from the fight to get elected.

But where do these people go so that their pent up rage about what is going on can be channelled more effectively? Don't say UKIP!

Aardvark · 08-04-2008, 11:07 PM

Good question. There are lots of parties that offer a safety valve, but I wouldn't join most of them. The energy of these guys needs to be directed somewhere where it will have a positive effect for them and others. I'll have to think on it.

Millennium3 · 09-04-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Good question. There are lots of parties that offer a safety valve, but I wouldn't join most of them. The energy of these guys needs to be directed somewhere where it will have a positive effect for them and others. I'll have to think on it.

I will be interested in your conclusion. I think you will find that for anyone concerned about Britain being submerged into a European super state there are few options. The fact that there are an increasing number who are prepared to take extreme actions demonstrates that there is a real head of steam developing generally, which needs expression.

08-04-2008, 03:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
FredSucks Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,941	This guy is going for it ! English Rose: I now declare my Lawful Intent to the Traitors in Parliament.

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Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,522	This guy is barking. Magna Carta 1215 didn't become law, but fell into desuetude almost immediately as John busied himself looking for an army to duff up the barons. It is later ratifications and later versions that came into force. Clause 61 of Magna Carta 1215 is irrelevant in this case in any event as it concerns the powers of Barons to stop the King misbehaving. The man has no right at law to do what he is trying to do and if he doesn't pay his taxes he'll have the bailiffs round to confiscate his goods. Why of why do these people all come from our side of the fence? __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008 Last edited by Aardvark; 08-04-2008 at 06:29 PM.

08-04-2008, 07:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,522	It saddens me to see people clutching at straws. These actions just distract us from the fight to get elected. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

08-04-2008, 11:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,522	Good question. There are lots of parties that offer a safety valve, but I wouldn't join most of them. The energy of these guys needs to be directed somewhere where it will have a positive effect for them and others. I'll have to think on it. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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08-04-2008, 03:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,474	___________________________________________ Fascinating! It would be interesting to learn the constitutional basis for such a claim. Apart from seeking a Dissolution of Parliament within forty days, it is not clear what Mr Harris has in mind. His affidavit is all rather grandly vague. Never mind, if it makes him feel better, it could be therapeutic. I await the outcome with great interest, but I am somewhat pessimistic that it will achieve anything worthwhile. _____________________________________________

08-04-2008, 05:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,967	It's sad to see someone wasting his efforts so comprehensively.

08-04-2008, 06:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 3,873	It might be a pointless exercise A, but when an individual becomes so frustrated by the loss of the sovereignty of his nation, he [almost always he] can only do what he is able to do within the context of his capability. This is a brave thing to do. As has been said, we do not know what he intends, but the likelihood is that he will suffer for his actions whether financially or through the loss of his liberty. If those who do know what is possible and what is not showed anything like the courage he is showing - we would not be in the position we are now.