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England For Ever · 07-05-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Vortex

I'm staggered that the EDP could possibly entertain an alliance with the England First party. Let me reiterate (as a BNP member) that most of the EFP are people who have been kicked out of or left of their own accord the BNP. As the BNP tries to build a modern, democratic and electable party, the EFP is a repository for those that have resisted this trend, many of which have outright anti-semitic views and others beyond the pale.

Their founder Mark Cotterill left the BNP necause it had "sold out", ie moderated, and became part of the White Nationalist Party, an overtly neo-nazi grouping. When that group couldn't register as such with the Electoral Commission, they formed the EFP to contest elections. They have since broken away and are basically a tiny group of about 150 members in the North West.

The difference between them can be summed up by this. I would be happy to meet Ed Abrams and have a drink with him. The EFP would bombard him with a torrent of anti-semitic abuse.

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Just two quick questions Mr BNP, if the BNP are a large nice modern, democtatic party and the EFP and tiny extreme group with only 150 members in the NW - why have the EFP always polled more votes than the BNP on the 5 times the two partys have stood against each other. And two your leader Nick Griffin is one of the most anti Jewish nationalists I have ever met - what about his book the mind-benders - and you have the cheek to call the EFP anti-semitic!!!

Vortex · 07-05-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by England For Ever

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Just two quick questions Mr BNP, if the BNP are a large nice modern, democtatic party and the EFP and tiny extreme group with only 150 members in the NW - why have the EFP always polled more votes than the BNP on the 5 times the two partys have stood against each other. And two your leader Nick Griffin is one of the most anti Jewish nationalists I have ever met - what about his book the mind-benders - and you have the cheek to call the EFP anti-semitic!!!

The reason is quite simple. the people in Blackburn and Burnley probably thought that the England First Party was actually more moderate than the BNP hence its slightly better votes in all of five contests! There is a genuine desire to reassert our Englishness and address the immigration issue. I've seen the EFP's literature, it is moderate in tone and well presented, in some instances very professional, but I feel confident that your canvassers didn't approach people on the doorstep and say "Hello we're the EFP, we left the BNP because they've sold out and we remain true to real racial nationalism! We used to have regular meetings with the BPP who recently had a nice party on April 20th celebrating Adolf's birthday, in fact our leading member Peter Rushton spoke to the BPP only a couple of months ago!"

Secondly, I have heard Nick Griffin publicly state his opposition to anti-semitism. I cannot comment on the book you mention as I haven't read it, but people can change, Oscar Schindler did!

Now please answer my question. Can a Jew join the EFP? They as you know are welcome in the BNP, as long as they agree with the policies. I await your answer with interest.

Vortex · 09-05-2008, 11:30 AM

I see the EFP representative hasn't come back to me on the question I raised above! No surprise there, he's probably convinced I'm an agent of the "Zionist Occupation Government" or some other such nonsense!

Danny · 09-05-2008, 11:50 AM

The EFP and the BNP are one and the same vile extreme right wing parties.Nobody cares go away.

Vortex · 09-05-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

The EFP and the BNP are one and the same vile extreme right wing parties.Nobody cares go away.

I would have thought that anyone reading the above posts would have concluded that there are quite subtle differences between the BNP and the EFP, that is why they exist as two seperate entities.

The purpose of the forum is to stimulate debate even with people you disagree with. I am sorry it is a concept that you appear to have difficulty in understanding.

Danny · 09-05-2008, 12:08 PM

I have no problem understanding your vile extreme parties veiws as well as the vile extreme EFP.This will be my last post reply to you I hope you go away and post elsewhere on your own forum.Your politics turn my stomach

Vortex · 09-05-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I have no problem understanding your vile extreme parties veiws as well as the vile extreme EFP.This will be my last post reply to you I hope you go away and post elsewhere on your own forum.Your politics turn my stomach

So much for democracy and reasoned debate. I'm afraid to disappoint you, but I will continue to be around on this board as will others from the BNP, because most UKIP members and other supporters on here believe in free speech.

I am of course devastated that an intellectual titan like yourself deems me not worthy of response!

Independent Working Class · 10-05-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

We (English Democrats) are getting attacked because we are a threat.

ROFL!

You should be locked away in a funny farm until your delusions of grandeur are delt with. A few quick blasts of E.C.T. should do the trick, with a Scottish nurse delivering the blasts of electricity to give it that perfect touch of irony/justice.

The only people who see your party as a 'threat' are the Monster Raving Loony Party. But even they still manage to beat you in by-elections.

Populist Lee · 10-05-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Independent Working Class

ROFL!

You should be locked away in a funny farm until your delusions of grandeur are delt with. A few quick blasts of E.C.T. should do the trick, with a Scottish nurse delivering the blasts of electricity to give it that perfect touch of irony/justice.

The only people who see your party as a 'threat' are the Monster Raving Loony Party. But even they still manage to beat you in by-elections.

Just a thought . .
Even the tiniest wasp can cause a multiple car smash.

Be wise:
Always travel armed with your trusty can of DDT.

Harbinger · 10-05-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vortex

I would have thought that anyone reading the above posts would have concluded that there are quite subtle differences between the BNP and the EFP, that is why they exist as two seperate entities.

The purpose of the forum is to stimulate debate even with people you disagree with. I am sorry it is a concept that you appear to have difficulty in understanding.

The EFP manifesto

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1, Repatriation of all immigrants to their lands of ancestral origin

2. Capital punishment for all murderers

3. Restoration of the gibbet, stocks and whipping post for serious violent offenders, paedophiles, sex pests and drug dealers.

4. Withdrawal from the morally and financially corrupt European Union.

5. The abolition of the Islamic faith and demolition of all mosques

6. An end to all forms of animal cruelty, including the barbaric Jewish and muslim methods of killing animals, animal experimentation and battery farming.

7. The teaching of the Aryan histories of Western Europe.

8. The teaching of healthy moral values including sexual abstinancy as a means of nurturing morally healthy young people, instead of the morally corrupt leftists approach which is destroying the lives of our young people.

9. The bringing to justice of all politicians guilty of treason against the people of England who will if found guilty and in accordance with the law be brought before the executioner.

10.Pensioners - All pensioners would receive free bus and rail transport and would be freed from the burden of having to pay council tax, gas and electricity bills. They would not and should not want for anything. The money would be found by cancelling all grants and funds paid to those organisations whose existence is detrimental to the physical and spiritual well being of our society.

11.Criminals - After being punished they would be put to work in the countryside re-building dry stone walls, cutting dykes and trimming hedge rows. The system would be run on lines similar to the American chain gang.

12.Unemployed - Would be similarly put to work in areas where they were most needed but would of course be paid for their labours, whilst our women folk would be encouraged to concentrate their time and energies on caring for their home and families.

Hmm no right wing lunacy there

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09-05-2008, 11:30 AM	#73 (permalink)
Vortex Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 374	I see the EFP representative hasn't come back to me on the question I raised above! No surprise there, he's probably convinced I'm an agent of the "Zionist Occupation Government" or some other such nonsense!

09-05-2008, 11:50 AM	#74 (permalink)
Danny Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 226	The EFP and the BNP are one and the same vile extreme right wing parties.Nobody cares go away.

09-05-2008, 12:08 PM	#76 (permalink)
Danny Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 226	I have no problem understanding your vile extreme parties veiws as well as the vile extreme EFP.This will be my last post reply to you I hope you go away and post elsewhere on your own forum.Your politics turn my stomach