English Democrat BBC Profile Matt 4 Mayor

Smidgey · 03-04-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

This thread is about an election in England being discussed in the 'English Democrats' category. The mere fact that you have commented means that, yet again, a Scot has intervened in an English matter and, as with 'nationalism' [see below], you have sought to misrepresent the situation. Yes, I did aver that Scots always like bringing themselves up in discussions, but this is in addition to all the other unwanted criticisms they insist upon making in an England context. If you had something constructive to say, it wouldn't be so bad, but then. I suppose you have to live down to your true nature.

And constructive posts are your forte, Cassie?

I take it you have never, nor will you ever, make an attack on the SNP or Scottish Labour? Not that I care if you do or don't.

Again, I never brought myself or anything Scottish into this discussion, you did. Further proof (as if all the other threads on this asinine topic were not enough evidence) that you tend towards masochism.

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You, a Scot, presume to make disparaging comments ('left wing nut' juxtaposed with 'being a nationalist') about the Englisgh Democrats' mayoral candidate, but without having the candour to make clear - even just for the casual surfer - that, by your own admission, you are prejudiced against nationalism per se.

Firstly, me being born in Scotland has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not this mayoral candidate appears to me to be left wing or not. This is completely irrelevant.

Secondly, I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that you read more than just threads about the EDP... I know some of the things you stand for, having read your posts on certain subjects. I shouldn't be expected to explain my entire political philosophy every time I make a post.

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[Well, we know what you are against, but what are you for? Are you just another uncommitted freewheeler? For the benefit of your malign reductionism, nationalism is far more than "worshipping the ground you were born on"! Were that to be the case, Frith would be in some difficulty with her English nationalism! Perhaps your failure to understand that explains your anti-social stance?]

Again, I don't have to explain my entire political philosophy every time I post. Although, it is very clear what you are against - a person born in Scotland having any opinion about anything that isn't politically Scottish.

The rest of this part of your post barely makes any sense.

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You have implied with the words: "Why doesn't he just come out and say that he's a collectivist?" he is just that. For my part, I have asked for your evidence for making such a suggestion.

It was my opinion based upon the current evidence. I certainly am not going to justify my position to someone as aggressive as you.

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Contrary to other nonsense about me 'getting away with it', I am seeking to establish whether is any substance to your sour post, or is it no more than mere anti-English sentiment emanating from a Scot.

Again, your paranoia shines through. This had absolutely nothing to do with Scotland -vs- England or any other such matter. If you hate talking about Scotland so much, why bring it up?

You are constantly asking me for evidence, well, I think it's time for you to prove where I made anti-English sentiments. Does my disaproval of Mugabe make me opposed to those who live in Zimbabwe?

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The fact is that you have failed to adduce one argument or shred of objective evidence to justify making you slighting comments!

It strikes me as odd that so many individuals who do not even live in England presume to make unsubstantiated and unargued comments about English matters.

This is completely absurd. I can make political comments on whomever I wish. Don't you dare try to tell me what I can and cannot say.

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You take licence to make personal comments about me. Fair enough! It justifies my making comments about you being a Scot; otherwise you might eschew doing this yourself - if you were consistent.

I never denied that I was Scottish (by virtue of the fact that I was born here). You clearly suffer from some kind of paranoia (otherwise you wouldn't be making such a hoo ha about something that isn't even important, let alone mentioned in this thread).

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I merely referred to your nationality. However, you chose to make derisory comments about my apparent mental state.

That had nothing to do with my nationality, but due to the fact that you were extremely rude in your assertions in the first place.

You assume to much in my intentions. I don't know if I should take your extremely deep analysis of my intentions as a compliment or not.

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In the circumstances, I feel justified in recording that you appear to be unthinkingly and inconsiderately rude!

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Qu quoque.

Smidgey · 03-04-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

I wouldn't expect a whimsical and superficial soul like you to appreciate the difference.

Smidgey's opinion that nationalism is "worshipping the ground you were born on" puts your claim to English nationalism somewhat in question, but I suppose you're too dim to have picked that up! Just my opinion, lol.

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Frith · 03-04-2008, 12:54 PM

I can't answer, I'm too dim and whimsical and I'm too superficial to care about anything really, so why I care about England is beyond me. Still, my nail polish is dry and that must be important because today is Thursday and the wickets are bleeding ...

Ea of Dune · 03-04-2008, 01:09 PM

I'm not surprised that Matt O'Connor was into CND etc. in his activist days. I think these groups aim to hoover up students and they tend to then all move amongst similar circles.
It's surprising the number of people who where part of groups like the International Socialists, SWP etc. who have now come over to the right of politics, Garry Bushell and Hitchins in the Daily Mail being two examples I can think of.
It's easy to see how people can be absorbed into the zeal of the left, then realise it's a sham and lots of lies are peddled.

Ea of dune

Frith · 03-04-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ea of Dune

I'm not surprised that Matt O'Connor was into CND etc. in his activist days. I think these groups aim to hoover up students and they tend to then all move amongst similar circles.
It's surprising the number of people who where part of groups like the International Socialists, SWP etc. who have now come over to the right of politics, Garry Bushell and Hitchins in the Daily Mail being two examples I can think of.
It's easy to see how people can be absorbed into the zeal of the left, then realise it's a sham and lots of lies are peddled.

Ea of dune

A lot of formerly young far rightists also move their stance. This is why people can't keep badgering others about the way things were and hoping to get mileage out of it. People change and if they get involved in things they tend to change quite a lot until they find their own level, which is often rooted in the way they have always felt and acted rather than the way they have felt or acted when very angry or upset.

03-04-2008, 01:09 PM	#24 (permalink)
Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 875	The Left I'm not surprised that Matt O'Connor was into CND etc. in his activist days. I think these groups aim to hoover up students and they tend to then all move amongst similar circles. It's surprising the number of people who where part of groups like the International Socialists, SWP etc. who have now come over to the right of politics, Garry Bushell and Hitchins in the Daily Mail being two examples I can think of. It's easy to see how people can be absorbed into the zeal of the left, then realise it's a sham and lots of lies are peddled. Ea of dune

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03-04-2008, 12:54 PM	#23 (permalink)
Frith Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 660	I can't answer, I'm too dim and whimsical and I'm too superficial to care about anything really, so why I care about England is beyond me. Still, my nail polish is dry and that must be important because today is Thursday and the wickets are bleeding ...