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Old 31-03-2008, 10:02 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I have to say I thoroughly agree with Aardvark here. I can not see how an argument between your two parties is at all constructive.

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I would be interested to hear from any current or past members of the English Democrats if they have evidence of any racist attitudes in their party.

I would have thought that this forum was a prime example of where people could discuss issues pertaining to race without being branded "racist". What the hell does that word mean these days anyway, the "Left" seem to have turned it into a "weapon word" it can be lobbed at anyone to discredit them. I think Dr Sean Gabbs discussion of this issue in Culture war hit the nail on the head.
Starting posts like the above is just an invitation to the sort of idiots who hang out in some anti-fascist organisations to start unfounded attacks against people.

The above to me seems very dirty and below the belt, especially as some of the folk insinuating such where part of said party for however long.

As far as I see it we have two English Nationalist parties ripping shreds out of each other and airing their dirty washing in public, carry on if you want to destroy each other in the process, because thats exactly what you are in the process of doing.

How very sad it has come down to this though?

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Not sure where you got your quote from, but let me respond to the enquiry as someone who owes no loyalty to the EDP itself.

During my membership, I encountered no racists as falling within the meaning used by tribunals and the courts who remained within membership. [Here, it should be borne in mind that so called 'race legislation' applies to individuals (not racial groups) and usually in an employment context.] Mere references to racial origins of themselves are not 'racist'.

EDP policy makes clear that an English Parliament amounts to being a parliament for the people of England ie to encompass all who live and work in England.

To the extent that, since 1997, (1) HM Government has comprised not only a significantly disproportionate number of Scots and other non-English people, but its senior positions have been (are) occupied by Scots, and (2) that this government has presided over adverse discrimination against the people of England, much criticism of them will inevitably appear to be anti-Scottish. I know of EDP members who number Scots as close friends, and the criticism being directed primarily at Scotland and Scots is really aimed at what has been done, NOT the nation itself, NOT Scots per se.

To assert that the EDP is a racist party solely on the basis of election posters which are intended to draw attention to the unfair treatment meted out to England by a government presided over for almost eleven years by two successive Prime Ministers and two successive Chancellors of the Exchequer who are Scots is scraping the tar barrel somewhat.

Moreover, allegations of racism need to be supported by much more than unspecified 'nasty posts'.

As previously stated, I write this as someone who, although committed to the establishment of a Parliament for the people of England (an English Parliament), I owe no loyalty to the EDP and would certainly say if I had encountered any racists as members. Indeed, the only individuals who might NOW be regarded as being racialist in their approach to English nationalism have left the EDP. I can recall only one person who, whilst in membership, advocated immigration policies based on race. He didn't seem to think that the EDP was 'racist' and so, dissatisfied, he left!


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Old 31-03-2008, 12:01 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Not sure where you got your quote from, but let me respond to the enquiry as someone who owes no loyalty to the EDP itself.
The sentance I quoted was from the opening post on this thread by Andrew Constantine.
I agree with you Cassie with regards to your comment about scraping the barrel, it seems to be stooping a bit low to be honest.

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Old 31-03-2008, 01:27 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Woooe...you fighter...is this the pot calling the kettle black.....you are starting to sound like Kevin Keegan in disguise.....
I think I'd rather sound like Kevin Keegan in disguise than Kentishman in disguise

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Honestly chaps, I've contacted some of you off line, but you can't help knocking each other. I am a natural unionist, but I would give credence to an English party which wasn't wasting time fighting other English parties. You all have elections to fight and to perform well in; shouldn't you be thinking about that?

This series of arguments is wasted. Why don't you wait until May and then compare results? You have intelligence, enthusiasm and passion; it's wasted arguing on here (IMHO).
I 100 per cent agree with you Aardvark.However when people post facts and figures for constructive DEBATE.Alls posters get from the EDP and there supporters is personal abuse.Alls it shows is that they are clearly RATTLED by the TRUTH.And the FACTS are that the TRUTH alaways hurts and its hurt the EDP and thats clear for everyone to see with there ABUSIVE POSTS.
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I 100 per cent agree with you Aardvark.However when people post facts and figures for constructive DEBATE.Alls posters get from the EDP and there supporters is personal abuse.Alls it shows is that they are clearly RATTLED by the TRUTH.And the FACTS are that the TRUTH alaways hurts and its hurt the EDP and thats clear for everyone to see with there ABUSIVE POSTS.
All you have done is be abusive to the EDP as a whole and complain to the mods about abuse.
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All you have done is be abusive to the EDP as a whole and complain to the mods about abuse.
What a load of meaningless waffle Rebirth.I have complained only twice and the Moderators AGREED kentishman had used offensive personal abuse and Kentishman was Isussed with a warning thats the facts which you clearly you and the EDP have difficulty in facts.So get your facts right where is my abuse.I and other posters have produced facts and figures for DEBATE.You rebirth and your Party the EDP cant DEBATE you simply threw abuse and thats the truth you cant take it.Your last post was laughable if it wasnt so serious.You in the EDP have being found out and confirmation of that will be on may the 1st in the london elections when the voters Give you rebirth and your party there verdict on your disastrous london campaign which is in tatters.
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What a load of meaningless waffle Rebirth.I have complained only twice and the Moderators AGREED kentishman had used offensive personal abuse and Kentishman was Isussed with a warning thats the facts which you clearly you and the EDP have difficulty in facts.So get your facts right where is my abuse.I and other posters have produced facts and figures for DEBATE.You rebirth and your Party the EDP cant DEBATE you simply threw abuse and thats the truth you cant take it.Your last post was laughable if it wasnt so serious.You in the EDP have being found out and confirmation of that will be on may the 1st in the london elections when the voters Give you rebirth and your party there verdict on your disastrous london campaign which is in tatters.
You are again referring to the whole party even though you are talking about one or two individuals. Why do you also refer to it as my party? What makes you think I am not just sticking my nose in because I see some anti-EDP campaigning going on?

You seem a little bit to sensitive to be in these debates if every other post is going to have you attached to it screaming about abuse.

Considering England needs all the help it can get from preventing the traitor career politicians from harming her any more, I would of thought it would be best not to constantly attack fellow English parties, even if you do not see eye to eye on all it's policies. It isn't like Free England are going to gain anything any time soon.

Which leaves me wondering...
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Anti-EDP campaigning?

Kentishman starts the post, criticising everyone and everything in the Free England Party - then FEP people retaliate. You have a strange definition of a campaign. Or perhaps you side with the bloke whose had his knuckles bruised on account of hitting someone?
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Anti-EDP campaigning?

Kentishman starts the post, criticising everyone and everything in the Free England Party - then FEP people retaliate. You have a strange definition of a campaign. Or perhaps you side with the bloke whose had his knuckles bruised on account of hitting someone?
You did just desert the party and then stand against them. Surely you must of expected some resentment?

Like I said before, this is about one or two individuals on the EDP who has actually said something about it and I just dislike how Danny brands everyone connected to the EDP as abusive and that they all run away when some kind of facts (polls are facts?) come along.
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No - I think the Party deserted me.

Just for the record - would you be prepared to contest a local election for the EDP, where you have to try and leaflet 5000 households by your yourself?
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