English Democrats - are they a racist party?

Northumbrian · 30-03-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

No, No, No, I am terribly wrong I appear to have made a mistake

Many, many, many apologise Northumberland Ameoba

So what you are saying Northumberland Ameoba, is that standing under the English Democrats badge, with the Manifesto (you believe to be wrong) gives you a vote of 11.5% in your neck of the woods.

Ok, lets see what you now do with your new Free Bean Party,

11.5% is the target you need to beat to prove that your decision was the right one - ie throwing in 6 years hard work, (mainly by people other then you) to start a New Party.

Good luck to you young man, get those leaflets through the doors !!!!!!!!!

Yep, it's a gamble, and I've only got enough leaflets for 69% of the ward. But sometimes you have to find the courage for your convictions.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 30-03-2008, 10:34 PM

We will reconsider the loan situation in the English Democrats Party after the London Elections.

All loans have to be agreed by the National Council.

I'm sorry if you find this confusing Northumberland Ameoba.

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Remember you need to leaflet your Ward 3 to 6 Times, that's a lot of work, best you go to bed now.

Northumbrian · 30-03-2008, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kentishman

We will reconsider the loan situation in the English Democrats Party after the London Elections.

All loans have to be agreed by the National Council.

I'm sorry if you find this confusing Northumberland Ameoba.

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Remember you need to leaflet your Ward 3 to 6 Times, that's a lot of work, best you go to bed now.

Easy for someone to say, when their mini Ward only has 1500 households, compared to mine of 5000.

cassie · 30-03-2008, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kentishman

We will reconsider the loan situation in the English Democrats Party after the London Elections.

All loans have to be agreed* by the National Council.

*In advance?

This is a welcome development - if true!

The trouble is that there is no way of telling whether you've changed the habits of a lifetime and are not making this up on the hoof, so to speak.

You'll be telling us next that the National Treasurer (if you have one) draws up an annual budget of income & expenditure for adoption by the National Council!

Don't forget that the 2007 accounts are due to be delivered to the Electoral Commission today (31 March) if they haven't been already.

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Aardvark · 30-03-2008, 11:53 PM

Honestly chaps, I've contacted some of you off line, but you can't help knocking each other. I am a natural unionist, but I would give credence to an English party which wasn't wasting time fighting other English parties. You all have elections to fight and to perform well in; shouldn't you be thinking about that?

This series of arguments is wasted. Why don't you wait until May and then compare results? You have intelligence, enthusiasm and passion; it's wasted arguing on here (IMHO).

Johnny Hates Jazz · 31-03-2008, 12:10 AM

[quote=cassie;482068]*In advance?

This is a welcome development - if true!

The trouble is that there is no way of telling whether you've changed the habits of a lifetime and are not making this up on the hoof, so to speak.

You'll be telling us next that the National Treasurer (if you have one) draws up an annual budget of income & expenditure for adoption by the National Council!

Don't forget that the 2007 accounts are due to be delivered to the Electoral Commission today (31 March) if they haven't been already.

Robin Tilbrook became the Treasurer after Andrew Constantine resigned.

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We have changed a number of things to improve the ways we can collect money, so we will only see if this had worked after the London Mayoral Election.

Ea of Dune · 31-03-2008, 12:11 AM

I have to say I thoroughly agree with Aardvark here. I can not see how an argument between your two parties is at all constructive.

For example:

Quote:

I would be interested to hear from any current or past members of the English Democrats if they have evidence of any racist attitudes in their party.

I would have thought that this forum was a prime example of where people could discuss issues pertaining to race without being branded "racist". What the hell does that word mean these days anyway, the "Left" seem to have turned it into a "weapon word" it can be lobbed at anyone to discredit them. I think Dr Sean Gabbs discussion of this issue in Culture war hit the nail on the head.
Starting posts like the above is just an invitation to the sort of idiots who hang out in some anti-fascist organisations to start unfounded attacks against people.

The above to me seems very dirty and below the belt, especially as some of the folk insinuating such where part of said party for however long.

As far as I see it we have two English Nationlist parties ripping shreds out of each other and airing their dirty washing in public, carry on if you want to destory each other in the process, because thats exactly what you are in the process of doing.

How very sad it has come down to this though?

Ea of dune

Johnny Hates Jazz · 31-03-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

Easy for someone to say, when their mini Ward only has 1500 households, compared to mine of 5000.

Oh, so it's NOT all down to ONE policy.

You are agreeing that logistical and administration comes into organising political activity, hurray we are making progress.

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I thought you had put ALL your problems down to the English Democrats policy on an English Parliament, now you are saying it's because your ward is a typical city ward and is quite big.

No doubt with the 100's of members you now have, you can ship them all up to Newcastle and "eat" this one ward.

In Darford our wards are circa 4,000 households, and yes we managed to leaflet each of the 14 wards twice and our targetted wards 4 times, it just shows how pathetic you are as a political organiser, so quick to moan about others and so ineffective yourself.

You are a moaning martin muppet.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 31-03-2008, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ea of Dune

I have to say I thoroughly agree with Aardvark here. I can not see how an argument between your two parties is at all constructive.

For example:

I would have thought that this forum was a prime example of where people could discuss issues pertaining to race without being branded "racist". What the hell does that word mean these days anyway, the "Left" seem to have turned it into a "weapon word" it can be lobbed at anyone to discredit them. I think Dr Sean Gabbs discussion of this issue in Culture war hit the nail on the head.
Starting posts like the above is just an invitation to the sort of idiots who hang out in some anti-fascist organisations to start unfounded attacks against people.

The above to me seems very dirty and below the belt, especially as some of the folk insinuating such where part of said party for however long.

As far as I see it we have two English Nationlist parties ripping shreds out of each other and airing their dirty washing in public, carry on if you want to destory each other in the process, because thats exactly what you are in the process of doing.

How very sad it has come down to this though?

Ea of dune

It will pass, a forum is like a roller coaster, there are ups and downs, but it's often fun.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 31-03-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Honestly chaps, I've contacted some of you off line, but you can't help knocking each other. I am a natural unionist, but I would give credence to an English party which wasn't wasting time fighting other English parties. You all have elections to fight and to perform well in; shouldn't you be thinking about that?

This series of arguments is wasted. Why don't you wait until May and then compare results? You have intelligence, enthusiasm and passion; it's wasted arguing on here (IMHO).

If you put in English Democrats Forum into Google, then this Forum now comes in 2nd after the CoSG.

That is what we have been trying to achieve by debating with these half-wits

Job Done

30-03-2008, 10:34 PM	#22 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,942	We will reconsider the loan situation in the English Democrats Party after the London Elections. All loans have to be agreed by the National Council. I'm sorry if you find this confusing Northumberland Ameoba. ================================================== ======= Remember you need to leaflet your Ward 3 to 6 Times, that's a lot of work, best you go to bed now. __________________ English or British or European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

30-03-2008, 11:53 PM	#25 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,692	Honestly chaps, I've contacted some of you off line, but you can't help knocking each other. I am a natural unionist, but I would give credence to an English party which wasn't wasting time fighting other English parties. You all have elections to fight and to perform well in; shouldn't you be thinking about that? This series of arguments is wasted. Why don't you wait until May and then compare results? You have intelligence, enthusiasm and passion; it's wasted arguing on here (IMHO). __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

31-03-2008, 12:10 AM	#26 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,942	[quote=cassie;482068]In advance? This is a welcome development - if true!* The trouble is that there is no way of telling whether you've changed the habits of a lifetime and are not making this up on the hoof, so to speak. You'll be telling us next that the National Treasurer (if you have one) draws up an annual budget of income & expenditure for adoption by the National Council! Don't forget that the 2007 accounts are due to be delivered to the Electoral Commission today (31 March) if they haven't been already. Robin Tilbrook became the Treasurer after Andrew Constantine resigned. ================================================== ======= We have changed a number of things to improve the ways we can collect money, so we will only see if this had worked after the London Mayoral Election. __________________ English or British or European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

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