cassie

What on earth has this to do with a referendum about independence for Scotland?



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The Scots think they have some divine right to treat the English however they like. Bear for example seems to think the English are the nasty invaders and the Scots are innocent hero's.

England's biggest mistake was accepting a union with Scotland. You only have to look at what's happening today to see that.

Should be Pictland, not Scotland. Who invaded the Picts? According to SNP history, the Celts emigrated to Pictland and mysteriously all the Picts just vanished. Of course 'Celt' was a phrase coined by the Welsh when the union was formed in 1707 which basically means not-English or anti-English.

Scottish fantasy history has been spread around the world, especially in the USA.

The Bear

Not so. I’ve not explained at all well.

My point is that England has been so screwed by immigration, especially over the last ten years, that what was once seen as English AND Scottish values have now changed by dilution of the population of England to such an extent by the influx non-indigenous English, that the common values that most people in geographic England once had with the rest of Britain are now mostly to be found only north of the Border.

I’m not at all sure that’s true. Because we have a disgusting shower of self serving career politicians who are more concerned about preserving their standing in Scotland (though that’s looking increasingly like an own goal) doesn’t for a moment mean that we have not benefited from Scottish expertise and much more in times past.

Actually the Celts were the dominant groups in Britain who were subdued by the Romans as far as they could manage.

Those places that the Romans didn’t manage to subdue were where the Celtic people congregated other than those who were assimilated into the invader as is probably going to happen in England now.

So have the Scots people been, and mostly as a result of famine and such acts as the Highland Clearances.

I like England and am proud of my English nationality and history, but not all of it.

Smidgey

You do realise that the Picts were Celts?

However, the claim that Scotland, Wales and Ireland are somehow Celtic and English is not is, in my opinion, a false one.

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Ea of Dune

Slightly off topic but...

Smidgey> That's a debatable topic actually, even experts in the field are still not 100% where the Picts came from. I believe Aberdeen University has a good history department which does a lot of work on the Picts.

I'd be inclined to agree though that the Picts where probably one of the earlier inhabitants of Britain. Whether they where "Celts" though in the meaning it has aquired these days is certainly debatable.

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cassie

Are you sitting comfortably Smidgey? I agree!




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I have found no proof of that. A lot is heresay and according to the SNP they was the first to set foot in North Britain in 500bc and they came from eastern Europe. Apparently, no other human ever lived in North Britain before 500bc?

Well, erm... I agree. I am not into bloodlines and hope a lot of you feel the same. I just want to be as far away from EU and the freaky Pope as possible.