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Old 30-03-2008, 10:40 PM   #21 (permalink)
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On the other hand, would I rather have someone like you in charge, who tries his best to humiliate other Party members in public?

Prior to November 2006, you had no interest in what I was doing with the party locally, but then some cataclysmic event happened which changed everything. Yep, you've guessed it - I dared to promote a change in party policy which you didn't agree with!!!!

That's the Uncles' way. Disagree with me on anything and I'm not your friend! And you wonder why I started to lose my motivation?
On the contrary, I encouraged you to by-pass the Policy Committee to put the issue direct to the General Membership at a General Meeting, as I personally felt that the matter had to be put firmly to bed.

This occurred and was comprehensively defeated - 6 months later you are in with the Beanies.

Looks like YOU threw your toys at the pram not me !
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Old 30-03-2008, 10:48 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Wrong. I accepted the decision. Just that a better offer came along.

You would have a great national team, if it wasn't for a certain individual causing you great embarassment.
Yes I am very pleased to create the embarassment of

1 x Mayoral Candidate with 330 Signatures

14 x Assembly Candidates
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23 Party List Candidates

5.5 Million people will have the opportunity to see our Mayoral Address

14 Million people will have the opportunity to see our 1st Party Political, this is all highly embarrassing.

added to the 40 Candidates that stood in the SE last year and the 10 Candidates standing in Hampshire this year.

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Talk us through how many candidates you've managed to get standing in the North East, you could not even convince your wife to stand as a candidate, you are an embarrasment to English Nationalism, and have the political knowledge and drive of an Ameoba. Do you think you may be better at something else like Bunggie Jumping with Cotton Thread ?
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And you wonder why I don't want to work with people like you?

Tell me superstar, is this new 'Northern' chairman going to revitalise the North East? His record in Cumbria isn't up to much. But of course, he never questioned the sacrosanct policy of the EDP, so that's okay.
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On the contrary, I encouraged you to by-pass the Policy Committee to put the issue direct to the General Membership at a General Meeting, as I personally felt that the matter had to be put firmly to bed.

This occurred and was comprehensively defeated - 6 months later you are in with the Beanies.
Ahem! Is there any official record of these matters? Come to think of it, are there any official, published records of any EDP AGMs prior to 2007?

The answer is, of course, NO! This is a serious deficiency in a political party purporting to be open and democratic!

I can only hope that the FEP follows a much higher standard.


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And you wonder why I don't want to work with people like you?
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There are 3 million people in the North East you can work with.

I can't say I have ever interferred in what you want to do in the North East.

Not much one could say, because you did not do anything.
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Ahem! Is there any official record of these matters? Come to think of it, are there any official, published records of any EDP AGMs prior to 2007?

The answer is, of course, NO! This is a serious deficiency in a political party purporting to be open and democratic!

I can only hope that the FEP follows a much higher standard.


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To be fair Cassie in the Constitution of the Party, it does not say that records of the AGM meeting need to be held.

It simply says the following:-

4 National Conference

4.1 The Conference shall be responsible for:

a) Approving the Party's Manifesto

b) electing the Party Chairman

c) electing ten members of the National Council; and

d) approving the Tresurer's Report.

4.2 The Conference shall consist of:

a) all Members of the National Council

b) representatives of he Area Councils as established by teh National Councils

c) ordinary members of the party

4.3 The conference shall be convened and conducted in accordance with the Conference Standing Orders.

Currently no Conference Standing Orders, exist, this may not be ideal, but I'd suggest that the English Democrats National Council are not "breaking" any rule as none have been created.

(I guess this is something that you could have knocked up when you were Party Secretary ?)
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To be fair Cassie in the Constitution of the Party, it does not say that records of the AGM meeting need to be held.

It simply says the following:-

4 National Conference

4.1 The Conference shall be responsible for:

a) Approving the Party's Manifesto

b) electing the Party Chairman

c) electing ten members of the National Council; and

d) approving the Tresurer's Report.

4.2 The Conference shall consist of:

a) all Members of the National Council

b) representatives of he Area Councils as established by teh National Councils

c) ordinary members of the party

4.3 The conference shall be convened and conducted in accordance with the Conference Standing Orders.

Currently no Conference Standing Orders, exist, this may not be ideal, but I'd suggest that the English Democrats National Council are not "breaking" any rule as none have been created.

(I guess this is something that you could have knocked up when you were Party Secretary ?)
Two points:

1. Constitutional amendments I did draw up were rejected out of hand. So, there was no reason to suppose that any others I might have 'knocked up' would have been treated any differently.

2. You seem to be saying that if the requirement for a record of AGM proceedings to be made or an annual report to members be published are not specified in the party constitution, you cannot or need not do these things. Many things can be done without them being required to be done by party rules and, if it is desirable for them to be done, they should be. It's not always a case of breaking or not breaking rules!



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Two points:

1. Constitutional amendments I did draw up were rejected out of hand. So, there was no reason to suppose that any others I might have 'knocked up' would have been treated any differently.

2. You seem to be saying that if the requirement for a record of AGM proceedings to be made or an annual report to members be published are not specified in the party constitution, you cannot or need not do these things. Many things can be done without them being required to be done by party rules and, if it is desirable for them to be done, they should be. It's not always a case of breaking or not breaking rules!



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Point 1
If you have a copy of your constitutional amendments, then please send me a copy, I may not have personally been at this particular NC meeting, I suspect that what you proposed would make sense, I'll be happy to reveiw.

Point 2
I agree that it's desireable, but likewise putting up candidates for elections is desirable, as is trying to secure donations - I don't disagree it just needs someone to drive this forward.

(I am sure that Robin does publish minutes of the AGM, but not he EGM)
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Northumbrian...it is you that has thrown his toys out of the pram....you lost the vote and would not accept the decision.

Do you think this one policy is enough to set up another English organisation when we are Englands National Party....come on Mr N get real.


We have a great national team that is getting stronger by the day, its dissappointing that we have lost your support at the moment....lets hope we can all celebrate together in the not too distant future.
It gets a bit tiring seeing you keep banging on about being England's national party. You are not the only kids on the block and you need to get used to it. You are yet another one of those who think English nationalism revolves around the EDP. I have a surprise for you......it doesn't. You also seem to forget that it's not just about one policy. You have a most bizarre policy on the EU. We are also the only party that supports a UK wide referendum on independence if Scotland are granted one in 2012.

Free England have a completely different philosophy to the EDP. We believe England and her people are capable of complete self-determination and more than able to make a success of running her own affairs. It's a pity neither you nor your party have that same belief.
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