Springer5

Englander 1. Two questions for you....

1 - Will you be signing the petiition that Andrew Constantine has posted ?

2 - Am I correct, judging from your the tone of your post here, that you do not advocate a spirit of cooperation with members of the FEP ? (It certainly doesn't sound as if you are ready to stand side by side with them in a common cause).

I would be interested to know as this would support or oppose my earlier point about the potential for non-cooperation between 'politically opposed' groups.

Also, on a general note about this thread, I see that at the time of writing this 100% of participants in my thread poll agree that one organisation showing a united front would be best for England's cause. Perhaps it's not just me after all.

Thanks to everyone who has voted so far by the way, and posted.

Springer5

But who's going to be big enough and loud enough to be able to tell them if, each time a suitable organisation gets to anywhere near the right size, it keeps breaking up ?

Richard the Lionheart

Some interesting replies to the thread.

First of all, thank you, Unionist, for your opinion, even though you do not sipport the aims of either party, at least you recognise that we are open about what we stand for and our right in a democracy to exit.

To Englander 1. We have just as much right to exist as the EDP do, as well as any other party in a democracy. There are 38 million voters in England, so there is plenty of scope for a number of English parties. English nationalists do not have to unite under the EDP umbrella to advance the cause. There is a choice. You are also aware that I have personally initiated the England Alliance which would work towards uniting all nationalists on particular issues.

Regarding the issue of party finance. Yes, several key members did lend the party at zero % finance, but for the benefit of clarity, perhaps you could tell people at which NC meeting the loans were approved, or was this issue forced upon the lenders and the party as a result of being told to do so by the Electoral Commission in the wake of last year's news about party donors? Were the loans approved by your NC BEFORE they were made?, or were you forced to declare them AFTER the event?

I commend the EDP on their efforts with leaflet deliveries and the TV broadcast. I would however, warn against trumpeting these kind of successes until you have secured the required signatures for Matt to stand. I have to say I was gobsmacked when I heard that Matt had been nominated and saw an appeal for nomination signatures. What if he can't raise the required number? As the so-called "leading" English nationalist party, you are going to look very foolish indeed. I would also question your claim to the EDP being England's national party.You do not have sole rights to this. English nationalism does not revolve around the EDP.

To Springer 5. there is plenty of room for other English parties, not just the EDP, to exist. The FEP and the EDP are two different kinds of parties in terms of how they view England should be governed. One advocates a reformed British state, the other the creation of an English nation state. This has implications on policies. For example, the EDP advocate an EP that is similar to the SP. How then would this EP tackle the problems of mass immigration or membership of the EU? It couldn't. It would not have the authority to do so. We support an EP that has supreme governing powers for England.

At the end of the day, we have a choice for English nationalism. That fact should be accepted by all people, and it is right and proper to have choice within a democracy.

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cassie

By all means characterise your position, but it is bad practice to tell other people what they are; it's akin to Catholics saying that they 'do not see' Protestants as Christians or vice versa. If the FEP has any value to England and the English it will not be realised by demeaning others with broadly similar aims.

The question of whether you trust the 'EDP leadership' again is not helped by omitting to say whether this is now a matter of principle or whether it applies only to the current EDP leadership or part thereof?

All of these comments combine to make different parties working together in unison where there is agreement well nigh impossible.

Although I have my opinions on the issues and the various strategies and tactics which are adopted in pursuit of them, I feel that I can make these observations from a detached and reasonably impartial position.

The question to be considered here is whether it is useful to continue justifying one's position and, in the process, alienating others OR whether it is more useful to find reasons to unite in pursuing particular initiatives? The former has the effect of turning a thread intended to promote unity into yet another opportunity to widen division.


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Richard the Lionheart

It get a little tiring sometimes having to explain to EDP members why Free England exists. They seem to take this holier-than-thou attitude that their way is the right way or the only way, or that we should all unite under the great big EDP umbrella. Sorry, but I don't believe the EDP have the right to a monopoly on English nationalism.

I am not impressed by Englander 1's attitude that what we have done has "diluted" the cause. It's like saying that if you are a nationalist and want to campaign, you MUST join the EDP, there is no other way. Well I'm afraid the EDP are NOT the only way.

Cassie, surely you cannot condone EDP behaviour especially the way they treated you, or are you suggesting that everything they do is above board and you deserved what they did to you? Perhaps you could give a proper account of the loans position so that people can understand what really went on?

Personally, I don't give two hoots about the EDP. In my opinion they are a complete shambles. I left several months ago to start a new party, and STILL they send me their literature! In May the electorate, particularly in London, will give its verdict on the EDP. If another mass failure ensues, then surely there has to be casualties among the leadership. Perhaps when RT has resigned, Englander 1 will get the chance to take the hot seat, which, from what I've been hearing, he has fancied for a long time.

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cassie

Danny

We live in a democracy Englander I your posting is a how dare you consider anything to the EDP.Englander I who ever you are you have made the EDP look very silly indeed.Who are you the offical spokesperson for the English Democrats.I hope the Free England Party take no notice and get on with offering the voters an alternative.

Johnny Hates Jazz

We English Democrats just collected 330 signatures across London, are in the process of submitting circa 40 candidates in London, and found £39,000 to pay for all the deposits in London.

We in the English Democrats are not perfect, but we are trying to the best of our ability to stand up for England.

We wish the Free England Party, and all English Nationalist well, but would recommend that they focus their attacks and critical comments to the real enemies - Lib Lab Con.

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Adrian Davies

I agree, Unionist. I don't wish to see the United Kingdom break up, but a passionate belief in independence for England is the love that dares not speak its name in the EDs.

I strongly disagree with the FEP, but it is saying out loud what many EDs are secretly thinking.

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Northumbrian

It's good you strongly disagree, because that means there's more likelihood on people strongly agreeing. When people can't find the interest to form an opinion - that's more worrying.