No to Gandhi statue

Tom Wilde · 09-03-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cassie

Why don't you do us the courtesy of reading the previous posts instead of intervening, pleading ignorance, but expressing a contrary view which fails to address points made earlier.

I repeat: he never did anything for this country. By your own account he "stood up against the oppression of his people", so why not stick the thing in his own people's country instead of cluttering up ours.

Why don't you do us the courtesy of addressing points made earlier, cassie? I'd still be interested to know why we can't put up statues of anyone here unless they have directly benefitted this country.

The Bear · 09-03-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

Why not? You've even put a non-Englishman as your avatar on this forum!

Very true, but then I'm beyond the Pale!

cassie · 09-03-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

Why don't you do us the courtesy of addressing points made earlier, cassie? I'd still be interested to know why we can't put up statues of anyone here unless they have directly benefitted this country.

Quite simply because it is part of the process of deculturising the English!

We have more than our fair share of such provocations in our overcrowded island. Let others erect such statues in their countries . . . how about India?

Ghandi is already well known, as has been remarked upon earlier. If you really want to be more imaginative, how about a statue to Mary Seacole in Trafalgar Square and elsewhere? She is relatively unknown, black, female and provided unselfish service and compassion to British (English) troops in the Crimea War and after! Let's be brutally honest: you really couldn't imagine a foreign-born, self seeking, muslim Indian campaigning for someone like Mary Seacole who, when all is said and done, was only a woman and, worse, black! [Heavy irony here!]

Why do YOU insist that WE should have statues dedicated to foreigners inflicted on US because they have allegedly done something for their people?

We are supposed to have a 'representative democracy'. Unfortunately, it represents almost anyone other than the English! It's high time that politicians in England actually started to put the English first, and I intend to promote such an attitude.

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Andrew Constantine · 09-03-2008, 11:15 AM

At a time when the British Empire and Commonwealth were straining every sinew to beat the Axis powers, and in particular to stop the Japs from taking all of Burma and then into India, Gandhi was organising protests against the Raj which diverted resources from the war.

If the Imperial Japanese army had got into India, it would have shown just what a civilising force the Raj was.

In fact we stopped the Jap offensive and the question of what would have happened had the Japs taken India is one of those historical guessing games. I assume that the Japs would have treated a conquored India as they treated China from the 1930s onwards. The rape of Delhi would then have been added to the rape of Nanking. The Holocaust in Europe was uniquely evil, but the Japs were worse than the Nazis in some respects in that they seem to have enjoyed committing atrocities.

India can set up as many statues to Gandhi or to assorted Elephant gods as they please. It's their county. But an Indian gentleman like Mr Vaz has no right to be telling England that we have to set up a statute to Gandhi.

cassie · 09-03-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

At a time when the British Empire and Commonwealth were straining every sinew to beat the Axis powers, and in particular to stop the Japs from taking all of Burma and then into India, Gandhi was organising protests against the Raj which diverted resources from the war.

If the Imperial Japanese army had got into India, it would have shown just what a civilising force the Raj was.

In fact we stopped the Jap offensive and the question of what would have happened had the Japs taken India is one of those historical guessing games. I assume that the Japs would have treated a conquored India as they treated China from the 1930s onwards. The rape of Delhi would then have been added to the rape of Nanking. The Holocaust in Europe was uniquely evil, but the Japs were worse than the Nazis in some respects in that they seem to have enjoyed committing atrocities.

India can set up as many statues to Gandhi or to assorted Elephant gods as they please. It's their county. But an Indian gentleman like Mr Vaz has no right to be telling England that we have to set up a statute to Gandhi.

SPOT ON!

In York, we have Imphal Barracks named after the Battle of Imphal. Within it is the Kohima Room marking the Battle of Kohima!

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Andrew Constantine · 09-03-2008, 01:23 PM

As a member of this other forum has pointed out, many Indians so liked Gandhi's India that they came to live here!

MikeyP247 · 11-03-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie

Quite simply because it is part of the process of deculturising the English!

We have more than our fair share of such provocations in our overcrowded island. Let others erect such statues in their countries . . . how about India?

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Damn straight! England is now so diverse it isnt a singluar country anymore. The government is so lax about who comes in, stays for so long etc that we might aswell put a neon sign above Dover port saying "Free B&B".

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Originally Posted by cassie

Why do YOU insist that WE should have statues dedicated to foreigners inflicted on US because they have allegedly done something for their people?

We are supposed to have a 'representative democracy'. Unfortunately, it represents almost anyone other than the English! It's high time that politicians in England actually started to put the English first, and I intend to promote such an attitude.

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I am English, not British - i was born in England, i live in England, my family comes from England, i belong in England.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

India can set up as many statues to Gandhi or to assorted Elephant gods as they please. It's their county. But an Indian gentleman like Mr Vaz has no right to be telling England that we have to set up a statute to Gandhi.

What about a statue of a womble?

Ive signed the petition - who needs another statue of some non-English person cluttering up our "diverse" streets. Plus (remembering my drunken nights in Leicester) it'll only be something for the students to climb/paint/destroy anyway.

HighlandFP · 14-03-2008, 07:21 PM

Mohandas Gandhi has always been my hero.
He freed his country. [while some of you can only whinge on forums]

Answers.com "Gandhi went to England to study in September 1888. Before leaving India, he promised his mother he would abstain from eating meat, and he became a more zealous vegetarian abroad than he had been at home. In England he studied law but never became completely adjusted to the English way of life."

Arriving in London on September 12, Gandhi and party proceeded to the East End,
[WHERE HE WAS CHEERED BY THE PEOPLE]
the quarter of the poor coal miners and factory hands, lived in their midst at Kingsley Hall, managed by Muriel Lester, his English hostess.

sOME PRAT SAID would only build monuments to Englishmen.

look around you.

cassie · 15-03-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandFP

Mohandas Gandhi has always been my hero.
He freed his country. [while some of you can only whinge on forums]

Answers.com "Gandhi went to England to study in September 1888. Before leaving India, he promised his mother he would abstain from eating meat, and he became a more zealous vegetarian abroad than he had been at home. In England he studied law but never became completely adjusted to the English way of life."

Arriving in London on September 12, Gandhi and party proceeded to the East End,
[WHERE HE WAS CHEERED BY THE PEOPLE]
the quarter of the poor coal miners and factory hands, lived in their midst at Kingsley Hall, managed by Muriel Lester, his English hostess.

sOME PRAT SAID would only build monuments to Englishmen.

look around you.

So good to have yet another unwanted opinion from a Scot about what WE should put up with in our country!

If you adore him so much, why don't campaign to stick something to him in YOUR country?

Bloody foreigners!

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Britannist · 19-04-2008, 06:50 AM

"Former footballer Gary Lineker backs Gandhi statue for his home city of Leicester"

09-03-2008, 11:15 AM	#24 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 951 Party: Free England Party	Gandhi in WW2 At a time when the British Empire and Commonwealth were straining every sinew to beat the Axis powers, and in particular to stop the Japs from taking all of Burma and then into India, Gandhi was organising protests against the Raj which diverted resources from the war. If the Imperial Japanese army had got into India, it would have shown just what a civilising force the Raj was. In fact we stopped the Jap offensive and the question of what would have happened had the Japs taken India is one of those historical guessing games. I assume that the Japs would have treated a conquored India as they treated China from the 1930s onwards. The rape of Delhi would then have been added to the rape of Nanking. The Holocaust in Europe was uniquely evil, but the Japs were worse than the Nazis in some respects in that they seem to have enjoyed committing atrocities. India can set up as many statues to Gandhi or to assorted Elephant gods as they please. It's their county. But an Indian gentleman like Mr Vaz has no right to be telling England that we have to set up a statute to Gandhi. __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

09-03-2008, 01:23 PM	#26 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 951 Party: Free England Party	cosg forum wit As a member of this other forum has pointed out, many Indians so liked Gandhi's India that they came to live here! __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

14-03-2008, 07:21 PM	#28 (permalink)
HighlandFP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ross-shire Highlands SCOTLAND Posts: 586 Party: Other	Mohandas Gandhi has always been my hero. He freed his country. [while some of you can only whinge on forums] Answers.com "Gandhi went to England to study in September 1888. Before leaving India, he promised his mother he would abstain from eating meat, and he became a more zealous vegetarian abroad than he had been at home. In England he studied law but never became completely adjusted to the English way of life." Arriving in London on September 12, Gandhi and party proceeded to the East End, [WHERE HE WAS CHEERED BY THE PEOPLE] the quarter of the poor coal miners and factory hands, lived in their midst at Kingsley Hall, managed by Muriel Lester, his English hostess. sOME PRAT SAID would only build monuments to Englishmen. look around you. __________________ WARNING: By reading or downloading this post you may be committing an offence under some or all of these Terrorism Acts. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/securit...m-and-the-law/ EU = Ein Volk ~ Ein Reich.

19-04-2008, 06:50 AM	#30 (permalink)
Britannist Uber Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London Posts: 22,896	Gandhi, Gary Lineker "Former footballer Gary Lineker backs Gandhi statue for his home city of Leicester"

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