Richard the Lionheart

Cassie, you of all people should know about the internal workings of the EDP and the diffuculties you experienced. You were one of their most loyal members and backed them to the hilt, but look what happened? In truth, they should have hung on to you, but it's their loss.

We are looking to recruit the ordinary people of England, as well as the enlightened members of the nationalist movement.

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Frith

Now you're talking! And in the latter group you have tough, experienced, utterly dedicated activists who really need somewhere to showcase their capabilities and who are all miffed to the back teeth with the constant falling to bits by scandal of the extant groups.

I said this a while ago. There appears to be nothing going on in some quarters of the patriotic movement because many are simply changing gear and thinking about going where they will be able to function for their own folk and future and devoid of stigma. Be of good cheer. I'll eat my hat of they don't pay you a visit.

Frith

Mill 3, I took a look at that site from your link and at the Lisbon Treaty. Thanks very much for that. Yes, it's all a very long winded, confusing, falling all over themselves bit of wall paper (or toilet paper in this case), but the most important things that struck me were the first numerated objectives of the aspirations of this ghastly great Nanny state with potential teeth like a shark and the IQ of a backward newt.

At first glance, even if you're trying to be objective, which I was, the socialist goals and intentions are paramount and the problems inherent in forcing these on people who may not be in any way keen on becoming one big inbred family are immediately apparent.

No wonder they won't let anyone call for a referendum. That would muck things up! Democracy, the freedom to choose. Nah, not in the new world of the Great Big "We'll look after you" EU. Judging by the aims it will be so busy looking after almost everyone in the universe and allowing these to roam freely around the precincts of lands sacred to their ancient inhabitants those seemingly simple goals tend to ring hollow. In fact they just go "clack".

They have a very wobbly statement there about fighting terrorism and Britain's inclusion in this is not clear. What is clear is Britain's inclusion. However, do the people know what this will entail? Almost certainly not. So they should get over to your link and take a hard look. Things don't smell at all good.

There is a lot of guff about how the EU will provide everything from good human relations to crime fighting and services. How is not made clear and it is obvious that no one is going to go and look for all the intricacies so it's possibly taken that people will see the benefits coming (or rather the promise thereof), think "whoopee more free stuff" (forget about the taxes that will have to pay for all this) and sign on the dotted line. Fools!

Then there is the declaration of a single currency that people don't realise goes together with the declaration further on of a single market and that this market is not "free" but described as "social". Alarm bells should be going off in a million heads. (They would be if they just read over these initial aims and objectives that will become demands and prescriptions as soon as they sign on the dotted line).

A fully "sustainable" economy and a closed system thereof for Europe is the goal. Did they ask anyone whether they want to exist in this suffocating chamber, filled with the hot and smelly air of the doyens of EU power? Nope, they just presumed and are waiting, drooling, with that little silver pen on offer and quick drying ink for useful idiots to sign on the dotted line. Instead of saying they would rather pee on the Lisbon Treaty the clots are actually contemplating going for broke. Don't do it, can't you see the Emperor is naked? (Kill that boy, his tongue is too long and his eyesight is too sharp. And he obviously isn't swallowing the tranquilizers we've been putting in his evening milk.) They have seen through the plot! The boy has been spitting the things down the pan. Evil, evil. Must be silenced. Let's call him a fascist.

Remember those nasty, conniving and threatening adverts for not joining the EU when they portrayed the country that doesn't as having many doors shut in its face? I think they were aiming this one I saw at Estonia. A couple of years ago.

The message was that you will be shut out if you stay a nation state and keep your sovereignty. However, and this is so typical of fairy tales, the real horror is that if you join you will be shut in and on top of that you will be shut away from the rest of the world and be forced to trade only within your "sustainable" bloc. In other words, say goodbye to free enterprise, small businesses, family farms and fishing enterprises and say goodbye to the right to choose what you want and where you want it from. Say goodbye to the right to choose your friends and decide your enemies and say a fond ta-ta to your right not to bear arms.

For this little treaty makes it quite clear, without actually saying so, that if there is a perceived threat (perceived by the doyens of the EU gravy Express) and you are "needed" to quell "unrest" you shall be stuffed into one of those rubber suits and have a baton shoved in your hands and kitted out with a little plexiglass shield and a funny helmet and sent off to kick the sh*t out of your fellow Europeans who have seen fit to rebel against the Gravy Express staff or any of the Gravy Express staff's friends outside the hive. Remember East Germany and all the other soviet states and how little freedom the citizens had once the walls went up and the barbed wire rolled out and the lookout posts were constructed, filled with cold blooded sentries and furnished with weapons to cut down "dissidents".

Any repetition of this hideous commune style existence should be resisted with every drop of blood and sweat anyone can muster and every curse and insult should be reserved for when the be-suited ones bring round the final trolley with that Final Demand on it that people commit themselves ... or else.

The folk who are keeping these web sites and blogs are the heroes of our time. But their work is of no use unless Joe Soap and Jill Sud are not willing to mosey on over to the the EU saloon and take a look at what has been going on back at the Ranch. They are planning to cut off your air supply to the rest of the world, stifle China, hold hands with America under the table and keep Africa as a mineral resources reserve. All this **** about helping Africans is just so much unmitigated codswallop. They are only interested in creating a dome from which no traveller will ever be able to escape.

I think they know the time is few and that under the circumstances they have to get things moving fast. So b*gger the referendum (it may go against them) and to hell with liberty, fraternity and equality, they want you to sign up and they want you to do it now.

But you don't get to do it, your glorious leaders get to do it in your name. Anyone with half a brain neuron firing must be able to comprehend the enormity of allowing someone like Mr Brown (a socialist verging on the outright communist) and his crew of deeply committed Marxists to get anywhere near that Treaty is suicide. Believing the Tories under Cameron want to stay out of the EU is equally dubious. The Lib Dems are literally widdling down their legs to sign away their (your) heritage.

So where are the hordes of protesters in the streets? Why doesn't every concerned citizen have the Lisbon Bogroll's principal aims off by heart and why aren't crowds jamming the roads that lead to Number 10?

They are all terrified of being called racists and fascists.

It isn't a good enough excuse any more. The Lisbon Bogroll is too important to allow reverse propaganda to ruin the future. Rebellion will be on the cards if the socialists are allowed to get away with this and the painful Tories are allowed to dither and burble about political correctness and where they stand.

Everyone will be standing in the same trough of muck if someone doesn't make a concerted effort to derail the Gravy Express. It's heading for a brick wall anyway so waiting or succumbing will only prolong the death of Europe, not rescue it from a terminal disease.

cassie

Northumbrian, I was responding to Frith's post and the bit of my reply you've quoted refers to the part of Frith's I marked as (2).

However, to answer your point: the difference between England and Scotland is that Scotland already has a separate national body but England does not. Consequently, the two situations are not really comparable.

In Scotland's case, the question about powers is about extra powers as you say. In England's case, it is about having ANY powers devolved to a national body. Therefore, the alternatives to independence for Scotland differ from those of England.

Whether the SNP would attract more votes if it dropped its independence policy is a matter of opinion. However, I believe that one could derive a firm indication if one was able to establish the precise reasons for the increase in the SNP's support and the decrease in Labour's and the Lib Dem's in last year's elections. I do not think that this fact can be explained by the SNP's demands for independence.

Even so, time will tell. The SNP is in the driving seat and must now put up or shut up.

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cassie

I very much agree and do not withdraw a word of it.

Incidentally, I realise that I was a tad provocative in using the phrase 'purist' English nationalists! I was not necessarily referring to those calling for independence in particular, but to any members of a party (not necessarily the EDP) who had the choice of remaining in membership and attempting to change that party's policy. Here, permit me to observe that if numerous UKIP and ex-UKIP members had not resigned, there would be a greater likelihood (however remote) of UKIP modifying its policy about a separate Parliament for the people of England.



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cassie

Richard thank you for you kind remarks. Yes, I was entirely loyal to the Party. However, I would be an unperceptive fool not to acknowledge that I was not the EDP's most dissembling or diplomatic member.

I'm not sure of the point you are seeking to make here. All I can say is that I had no choice about my situation which was thrust upon me, but you and others did have the choice of remaining members. Indeed, I could say that they should have hung onto you AND Andrew AND Northumbrian (and probably others about whom I do not know)!

Whether the decision to resign was wise [ie beneficial to the English nationalist movement] and form yet another English party will be indicated by events. If the FEP surges ahead attracting much more support and, in the process, more resources placing it ahead of the EDP you will be vindicated. On the other hand it may be that the FEP will merely succeed in dividing English nationalist support, albeit for genuinely held convictions. It doesn't really matter what I think, but the collective attitude of many other English nationalist voters might!

I am not sitting in judgement but attempting to pick up one of the themes in this thread to the effect that both sides of the independence issue should seek to unite behind an initiative which does not compromise either. There is one which I have suggested which does not rely upon arbitrarily standing aside from putting up candidates for election. To date, there have not been any indication that either really want to unite behind that initiative!

In the meantime, the FEP can attempt to test support for independence.

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Millennium3

F there are a number of people who have been banging on about the dangers of the LT, yet small parties like UKIP, ED's etc do not seem to realise that unless they can command a majority in the HofC by the GE after next, any ambitions they have for changes within the UK or in our relations with Europe crumble into dust. Yet although these warnings have been given consistently over a long period, even now after the failure to get a referendum and that few now can conceive of any other possibility than the Treaty will be ratified and implemented, they continue to squabble over their impossible dreams.

Someone else who had tried to get such people to work together in a common cause [the only possible escape] had described their efforts as 'like trying to herd cats' - a fairly accurate description I think.

Englishman

Cassie,

Whilst I understand or presume you are not of any party any more like myself, I hope you will be or are getting something going non politically, even if it is just yourself attacking our enemies out there.

You have enough talent to do so, and you have enough talent to anoy the pants right off of the enemy as well, as shown on here :-) :-) :-)
(Please accept this humour, I'm not meaning to offend, and if I did then I'm sorry mate)

C'mon mate the English nationalist movement, needs us all fighting from what ever perspective we can.

Whats your latest project mate? I hope you are letter writting to the enemy at the least etc

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Frith

It's quite horrific the sheer apathy of it all on one hand and the lack of cooperation on the other. But change can happen quite quickly if something kicks in, so here's hoping. No one will thank you for the years of effort you have all put in, of course, but you never know, the effort may finally pay off.

crac

It seems rather obvious to state that there needs to be formed and put together a rainbow coalition of all parties who's first love is Englands and Britains national and historic cultural achievements and unique character which intends to hold on to everything best that it can about England and Britain while being progressive and forward thinking because the world is always changing and offering new oppertunities but the natural wish of this political umbrella organisation would be independence in every possible principle and practice.

Ground rules need to be set and a full agenda for action over the term of a government can be worked out, putting things right after the mess left by the previous parties. Lets say in principle all good aims that are possible will be met but not all at once, but pull together and you'll have the satisfaction of fullfilling your agenda with the support of the whole organisation.

In this way the policy shortcomings of over narrowly focused representation to the wider public can be overcome and a fully inclusive sweep of understanding planning and positive intentions can be seen to be available in a responsible way as preparation for government.

Naturally policies may be tweeked a little here and there to make them doable but if peoples hearts are in the right place about it then they should agree in the spirit of a common love for England to get down to the nitty gritty of really making it possible.

I might suggest that one of the ground rules would be all members of this coalition of love should conduct their financial affairs with the highest standards of probity.