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English will be defined in the Next Census as both:-

Ethnicity
&
Nationality

This was confirmed at the last English Democrats conference where a leading member of Steadfast (a Lawyer) gave a presentation.

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English not British not European
- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections

Frith

If there is no room in an English Movement for the ethnically English there is no point to an English Movement. English is not a religion or ideology, it is the heritage, both biological and cultural, of a nation whose country is England. These people are distributed round the world but are all still intrinsically English and many still Anglo-Saxon. They deserve the right to self determination and should not be requested to donate their considerable historical endeavours to a bunch of recently arrived racial and cultural foreigners, be they ever so luvverly and ever so keen to be "English".

I am with Englander in the folkish tradition because I have little choice. I am an Anglo-Saxon and although many of us also have "Celtic" blood (this designation of race is very flimsy and no one really knows who is Celtic and who is Germanic according to ancient definitions) the origins of the English are in England and from Anglo-Saxon and Viking forebears. We carried knotwork to Ireland as Anglo-Saxon priests and we had the suncross and were responsible for the language that bears our people's name.

At the very least, can our people be heard as legitimate bearers of the name English? And can we have this small piece of the world that is our nation's homeland? It isn't much to ask. As Cassie has mentioned, the homelands of the immigrants are vast and their numbers there are huge. Ours are diminishing. The whole world speaks a form of English and everyone wants to live in what they think is "the English way", but they are not really even getting anywhere near what the English way means to those of us who are English. For us it isn't socialism and welfare and democracy, it is lifeblood and connections and heritage. These are priceless. They are not for sale. We want to keep them intact for future generations who will hopefully not have to speak the kind of English now taught via American TV-friendly channels. We are disappearing and our biological reality is vanishing with us. Justice needs to be done to ensure the children of the folk who are truly English may not disappear from the earth, in their own ancestral country.

Mikeuk

Why should we be positive about anything done by this scummy government?

I have my own ideas as to who is English and who isn't. I couldn't give two hoots what Mr Brown thinks on the issue.

Mikeuk

Ethnicity and DNA are dependent upon one another, so you are contradicting yourself.

Ea of Dune

To add to above about "Celts" I believe if you study some of the Roman texts from the period around the Gallic wars, you will find reference to Germanic tribes e.g. the Belgae being located on both sides of the English channel.
It seems that Celtic has come to be defined as not English but also not Germanic, but this is rather flimsy in my opinion with regards to the Germanic aspect.

Ea of dune

david H

I agree. When I talk about ethnicity I mean DNA and historical ancestory as well as Culture and I would have thought most of Steadfast would too. Some have mixed feelings about their legal campaign to get the English recognised in law as another ethnic group amongst others because this is our country. Although, it could be a useful starting point.

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Frith

Yes, these definitions are at best flimsy and one must bear in mind that the so-called "Celts" did not actually call themselves by this name. The so-called "Picts" were simply referred to as this by the Romans because they had pictographic tattoos all over their skin. The tribes had names, of course, but no large group of tribes called themselves Celts and no large group called themselves Germans. And all are Indo-European.

A better way of determining who is what is by the way people look. The taller fair skinned, fair haired, light eyed groups are obviously biologically linked. The shorter, darker groups are biologically linked and you can't call someone a Celt who is short, stocky and has black hair, brown eyes and bushy eyebrows, in the same way you could call someone who is tall, red haired, blue eyed and freckled also a Celt. This latter one looks like a Germanic type (and obviously is one). And often is also of Norse heritage as many of the Norse are red haired and tall and blue eyed. This makes many Scots Norse. But Scots consist of Highlanders and Lowlanders, who warred against one another for many years. Some Scots are dark haired and blue eyed, but tall. Some are short, brown eyed and look more like the "Celts" of Ireland. But then many "Celts" in Ireland are red haired, blue eyed and tall, so look more like the Norse/Scots of the group of Highlanders close to Scandinavia.

Then you get the tall, blond, blue eyed, slim Anglo-Saxons, the extremely tall, blonde large boned Anglo-Saxons, the red haired Anglo-Saxons and the shorter, fair blue eyed Anglo-Saxons. And the ones like me, tall, green eyed, blond turning to blondish brown later kind of Anglo-Saxons with Norse blood. The very tall jobs are usually thought to be Frisian and if you look at today's Dutch you can see this biological heritage clearly. In between all these are the brown haired, brown eyed folk of various heights and admixtures of all the groups. A large group of these living in England are now the "English". One thing is for certain. None of them are non-Europeans.

DNA tests have determined that the shorter, darker people of Ireland are from Iberia. Near Portugal and Spain for their looks and origins. These are "the Celts". The fair tall ones are almost certainly all variations of Germanic. It is illogical and scientifically incorrect to class groups of people who look completely different from one another as a single ethnic group. We are all one species but that is where it ends. We are becoming increasingly interbred and this is where the ethnic arguments are coming from.

This doesn't make those of us who are Germanic or Celtic, or indeed European feel any better about being wiped out of the gene pool by multiculturalism and interracial ideologies related to dialectical Marxism that seek deliberately to change people and things through "transformation" and interference. They simply do not have that right. No one gave them that right, they took it upon themselves and it is our duty to stop them from sending us and our civilizations into oblivion by fighting against it. We do have that right. We need to be more aware of just how unjust social engineering is, and how unnatural.

No one has the right to decide for another what he or she must be or do. This is a figment of the imagination of controllers and designers who love to play god across a variety of scenarios. They are control freaks and solipsists and we don't have to listen to them. We cannot stop others from giving themselves to the four winds but have a right to defend who we are and what we want and how we want to do things.

But these rights are not written in some holy book or under some magic stone, they are written into struggle and blood and evolution. If this makes people squeamish then they may as well kiss the future goodbye because tomorrow belongs to Marxism if it doesn't belong to us. The European Union, the Roman Empire, all the empires of history, tell this story in conquest and slavery and centuries of oppression.

The truth remains that if you cannot represent your people because there are no more of your people to represent, the conquerors have been victorious and you are finished.

The Bear

It's both a wise AND a lucky man who really knows his own father.

Go figure.

I'm English, but my DNA is a mix of German, Swiss, and a big dollop of Russian, but let anyone tell me I'm not English and they'd better like hospital food!

Frith

And with an attitude like that no one in their right mind would kick you out of the All Thing. Even Stonehenge's Archer King came from the Alps. And the Russians? Swedish Vikings of the Rus.

Mikeuk

The Roman name for Winchester was Venta Belgarum (Market of the Belgae) so that seems certainly to be the case.

A lot of the theories about a pan-European 'Celtic culture' have turned out to be far-fetched. I guess we can identify the small, dark type common to Ireland, parts of Scotland and Wales, Britanny, N Spain etc as 'Celtic' because they are clearly connected by race and, most especially, language.

The more popular image of the Scot as tall and fair is hardly surprising. Lowland Scots are of Anglo-Saxon stock, in fact they are the original true 'Sassenachs'. The nobility, including the Scots royal houses, were of Norman descent.