brad12jy

would you still call for a English Parliament if the Scottish Parliament was shut down ?

In many threads i see people say -i would join ukip if they supported a English Parliament -

like Britannist said in another thread
UKIP policy is to create a 'de-facto' English Parliament by shutting down the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly and by giving the duties of both those bodies to Scottish and Welsh MPs meeting in Scotland and Wales to do instead - with English constituency MPs deliberating on specifically English matters before the Commons while the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish/Ulster MPs were away?

you can find it here

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Ea of Dune

Yes I would.

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Ea of Dune

And to add to the above, UKIP will get absolutly nowhere suggesting they are going to shut down the Scottish and Welsh parliament/assembly.
Your support base is in England, ditch the UK and swap it for an E and you might have a chance in my opinion.

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cassie

Sorry but I found the video unconvincing. The proposed funding changes were not clearly expressed as relating either to solely Scotland or to Great Britain and do not appear feasible.

In fact, the video was confusing in that it stated what 'UKIP Scotland' would do which applied to England, Wales and Northern Ireland also! This is not what an Englishman wants to hear - 'UKIP Britain' perhaps, but certainly not 'UKIP Scotland'!

I also recall Campbell-Bannerman professing via his mixed parentage to be British. I was sceptical and, therefore, was not surprised to see him campaigning in Scotland.

I have reached the point where I no longer care about Scottish sensitivities and, even if the Scottish Parliament was to be closed, I would continue to call for an English Parliament. The so called minorities have inflicted so much damage on English identity that I believe that an English Parliament is now necessary to repair much of the damage and to restore consciousness of and pride in being English! I want the English to be more picky about who sits in our legislatures and makes laws for us to obey! An English Parliament will assist that process, that's why all the non-English individuals lording it over us now oppose a separate parliament for England.

I distinguish between multi-racialism and multi-culturalism. The damage to England has been caused by the latter, whilst Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have been encouraged to preserve their individual identities and their respective cultures.

So, as far as I am concerned, the non-English can celebrate their Burns Nights, Eids, Ramhadan, Carnivals etc in their countries of origin. It should be a case of: when England, do as the English do! My dander is well and truly up!!!

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I don't wish to sound picky, and please don't take offence, but the term "UKIP Scotland" doesn't make any sense. I mean, the tag "UK" indicates Britishness, and therefore the correct title should surely be UKIP North Britain. It is the same with CBI Scotland and BBC Scotland.

I looked at the UKIP website and I noticed the branch offices section. North West and North East? Surely the North West and North East of the United Kingdom are in Scotland?

Can't see why the "regions" can't be labelled North East England, North West England etc.

It kind of smacks of the "Britain of nations and regions" as mentioned so often by our beloved Prime Minister!

England is a nation too!

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Britannist

True - I do not like my nation of England being broken up into 'regions' - and those who talk the most of 'regions' seem to be figures in the anti-English Labour Party/Liberal 'Democrat' Party/BBC desperate to avoid using the word England. Interesting that, from their point of view, so-called 'regions' only exist in England but not in Scotland (which is almost as big as England in land area).

Britannist

I would be happy to go back to the Unitary UK we had before Blair's devolution mess in 1999 - but it seems unlikely that Scotland would vote to dissolve the present Scottish Parliament (although changes could be made to it which is what UKIP proposes).

Britannist

Thank you for quoting me alteclansing. I think the UKIP policy on this subject is among the most interesting I have across.

While it may not be presently possible to persuade voters in Scotland to abolish the Scottish Parliament - I think many people in Scotland would be interested in the UKIP plan (as explained in the quote above). The rival Parliament in Edinburgh costs too much to run and I think that many Scottish voters would be keen on the UKIP plan which would see the costs of devolution cut.

cassie

There you have it in a nut shell! The 'regionalisation' applied to England is population based rather than land area based. The conclusion that it is a scheme which will fragment English society in a way and to an extent not applied to either Scotland or Wales is inescapable. The double standard is breathtaking, and underlined by the persistence of those non-English who insist upon making comparisons of variations between 'regions' in England, rather between England and Scotland etc.

The GLA, allegedly an English version of the assemblies created in Scotland and Wales, is fundamentally different. Any British citizen in the UK meeting the requisite conditions and regardless of their place of permanent abode may stand for election to the assemblies in Scotland and Wales, but only those who live or work or own a business in the GLA ambit may stand for election.

Yes, an English citizen living in any part of England and meeting the laid down conditions may stand for election to the Scottish and Welsh assemblies but not the GLA unless he lives or works in the London area itself. All other elective regional assemblies in England were to be set up with the same level of restrictions.



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