LeCroc

But if UKIP took the UK out of the EU, how would Farage's son afford university?

Actually, I wonder whether we can legally withdraw from the EU now. It worries me that we have given so much authority to the EU that it may not be possible to get out.

The Bear

Putting all else aside I am deeply offended by the sentiment in your comment.


It implies that the forces of darkness that we are presently (thankfully) confronting should be encouraged to attack British armed forces personnel and, using the warped mindset of the enemy, attack British people in Britain or wherever they can manage to.

That is just disgusting.

HighlandFP

I think we are forgetting who REALLY runs things.

Who is in command of the EU? Who is really in command of the USofA?
It is that power that needs destroying.

Of course the activists are too busy posting on Brit Demo Forum
and fighting each other to worry about attacking the Powers that Be.

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LeCroc

Who is really in command? Oddly enough, it is largely ordinary people like you or me. Very few organisations are headed up by a world dominating 'Dr Evil'. Just men and women who do what they can for their employer. It's only when you stand back and look at the forest that you see the combined effect of so many trees.

It is not a power that you can destroy, because it is like the hydra. The only way out is not to fight what we have, but to offer the people something achievable that they would prefer. But you don't fight the sword with a sword. The biggest weapon we have is our ability to refuse to play the game. But to do that, we need enough people prepared to refuse, and there lies the problem.

The Bear

Because with all its faults it's still the best game there is.

Millennium3

This might be the case, but first and foremost there needs to be an organisation through which combined action can be taken - this is the primary missing ingredient.

LeCroc

Correct, Millenium3, and the missing ingredient is the will of the people. Until the people remove their heads from their sand buckets we will get nowhere.

Anybody got any ideas how to achieve that?

Millennium3

I think this is now a misconception. The fact that 36.2% of the voters where the mini referendum was held were prepared to take the trouble to participate demonstrates that there is a surprisingly high interest in the Lisbon Treaty. Perhaps this is not so strange considering it has been in focus for some time now.

At the last election just 4% considered our membership of the EU to be of greatest importance. I for one was urging UKIP to broaden its policy base to attract more voters - but they stuck with the EU. Now when Europe seems to be high on the voters priorities they insist on underplaying the EU and broadening their policy base [a policy base which only really appeals to ex Thatcherites who have abandoned the Tories - 5% max].

We need a party that will put the majority of its efforts into attacking the Lisbon Treaty and the failure to hold a referendum.

Britannist

Danish Greenland - which at the time formed about half the land area of the EEC/EU - legally quit the EU in 1986.

This matter has been analysed before - legally the UK can withdraw from the EU.

Millennium3

At the moment!