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cassie

So be it, but those who intend to vote and vote for a second choice are entitled to discuss such matters. All you're advocating is opting out, which I quite understand, but which doesn't help those with a different approach.



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Ea of Dune

If I where a Londoner I would probably vote for Matt as my first choice and Boris as second.
It would be great to see an English nationalist get into a position where we could start to challenge some of the rubbish that get's spewed forth from Westmincer.

After that my choice would be for Boris as he is opposed to a lot of the civil liberty eroding rubbish Labour have put into place. He came across very well on the Taking Liberties DVD.

Either way I hope Red Ken is finally given the boot.

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Johnny Hates Jazz

Hopefully as a second preference

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310 to go !

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Britannist

I think that is what a lot of people will be doing on 1.5.2008 - however I expect that the One London party (formed by the two members of the London Assembly who were originally elected for UKIP but who left to join Kilroy's Veritas and then quit that) will, like the English Democrats, campaign against the London deficit whereby the UK Government is paying out nearly £5 billion less in public money in London than the capital is entitled to. How many votes One London take away from the English Democrats in doing this remains to be seen.

I suggested to a supporter of the One London party who sometimes posts to this forum that they consider working with the English Democrats (EDs) in this year's London Mayoral/Assembly elections to avoid possible vote-splitting - but I do not think they (One London) ever contacted the EDs to discuss this.

Britannist

Yes - it would be the best thing to happen in UK politics in years if europhile UKIP-hater 'Ken' Fib-ingstone was ditched by the voters of the capital.

Last time (2004) he won only very narrowly on second-preference votes. He needs the second preference votes of people who voted Liberal 'Dem' or 'Green' in the first round of voting: it is they who are helping keep this man Livingstone in office.

Whether he wins again or not on 1.5.2008 - one thing does look very possible: that one or two more Labour members of the London Assembly will lose their seats (Labour lost several seats in the last Assembly election in the capital).

cassie

From my perspective, Livingstone is not a unifying force and, because very much of his emphasis is to champion the 'rights' of anyone but the indigenous community regardless of colour, he is actually unrepresentative and very divisive.

I would imagine (not being directly affected from day to day that's all I can do) that there are those who literally hate him for what he has done to England's (and the UK's) capital city and the interference with their private lives.

If voters in greater London have any sense, they will coalesce around an acceptable alternative candidate. The hard bit is deciding who that should be.

Again from my perspective, none of the Big Three's candidates are acceptable. How wonderful it would be if it was either the EDPs' or UKIP's candidate! Here the question is: which of them is likely to achieve greater prominence, and support in consequence?

I know what I think, but it is collective opinion and, moreover, collecrtive opinion amongst London's voters which counts!


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Adrian Davies

I couldn't agree with you more. We shall be spoilt for choice for first preference protest votes, but Boris Johnson is the alternative to the unspeakable Livingstone, and deserves all our second preference votes.

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Britannist

Thank you for your agreement Adrian on this matter.

Yes, everyone who wants pro-EU leftist Livingstone out and who are not going to vote Conservative in the first preference round of voting for the London Mayoralty should vote Conservative - for Boris Johnson MP - in the second preference round when the election takes place in about 60 days.

Boris Johnson MP is the only person who can get Livingstone out - for it is only those two who will make it through to the second preference round of voting.

Livingstone is behind Boris Johnson in the the latest opinion poll on voting intentions for the London Mayoral elections on 1.5.2008 - it is possible that Livingstone could come second in the first preference round of voting and what we all have to do is make sure that Livingstone comes second in the second preference round of voting too.

Richard the Lionheart

I agree Britannist. Without wishing to devalue the efforts of all other parties and candidates, the reality is that this is a straight fight between Red Ken and Blue Boris. The anti-Livingstone vote quite simply has to unite behind Boris, plain and simple. Whatever people think of Boris Johnson, he can't be worse than Livingstone.

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