BBC pushing Scottish Independence

Andrew Constantine · 24-02-2008, 10:54 AM

Today's BBC has the following item:

"Connery: Scots independence close
Sir Sean Connery has said he believes Scotland will become an independent country within his lifetime.

The 77-year-old former James Bond actor, who lives in the Bahamas, says Scotland is "within touching distance" of achieving independence.

Writing for the Scottish Sunday Express, Sir Sean praises the work of the SNP government which gained power in the devolved parliament last year.

He has been the SNP's most high-profile supporter, donating thousands to funds.

Sir Sean, who was born in Edinburgh, has previously sworn not to return to the country until it is independent.

In the article, Sir Sean praises Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond and the work of the SNP government since it came into power in May 2007.

Sir Sean writes: "I've always been hopeful about Scotland's prospects. And I now believe more than ever that Scotland is within touching distance of achieving independence and equality."

The first step towards achieving this was winning Scotland right to a separate parliament in 1997 and the second was electing an SNP Government last year, the actor says.

"I believe we have what it takes to take the third step, and I am convinced it will happen in my lifetime."

In the article, Sir Sean also hails Scotland for securing its own parliament for the first time since the "parcel of rogues" sold its freedom in 1707." [end]

In a recent post responding to my request for folks to sign an e-petition, Britannist - as ever reasonable - agreed that if there were many Scots who wanted independence, then it would be sensible for the UK government to make preparations for the possible dissolution of the Union. Britannist then said there are not many such Scots wanting independence.

My personal viewpoint - and that of members of "Free England Party" - is that it is desirable for England to regain her independence, both from the UK and the EU. Many users of this forum while disagreeing with the former, hopefully agree with the latter!

But my challenge to those who wish the Union (as in UK) to persist, is just go visit Scotland, speak to ordinary folks there and ask them what they think of the Scottish Parliament and of Mr Salmond and his government.

The answers I get are most often these:

About the Scottish parliament: the building is ugly from the outside and was far too expensive to build, but they want it to stay and have more powers.

About Alex Salmond: a very popular and competant national leader (and I often hear very strong anti-Labour views expressed).

You know that we English cannot force the Scots to love the UK - and we have certainly tried to buy their affections! But their attachment to the Union is fading: a growing number of Scots want an end to the Union.

So I think that many people who currently see themselves as "British", may have to think about how their own national identity might change - and is changing

For English people living in England at least, there is the obvious choice of seeing yourself as English. There is nothing wrong with feeling pride in being English. There is hope for England yet!

HighlandFP · 24-02-2008, 11:14 AM

Andrew Constantine, Sir, I salute your indefatigability!

Andrew Constantine · 24-02-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandFP

Andrew Constantine, Sir, I salute your indefatigability!

HighlandFP

Yup, at the moment it sure is hard work saving England!

Fortunately there are some other Englishmen and Englishwomen prepared to stand up for England ... and maybe some day others will join us.

Kind regards

Andrew Constantine

Britannist · 24-02-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

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In a recent post responding to my request for folks to sign an e-petition, Britannist - as ever reasonable - agreed that if there were many Scots who wanted independence, then it would be sensible for the UK government to make preparations for the possible dissolution of the Union. Britannist then said there are not many such Scots wanting independence.

Thank you for your kind comment, Andrew.

I think what I wrote was that if Scotland voted in a referendum to quit the Union of the UK the UK Government would have to legislate to allow that to happen.

Of course it would have to be an official referendum - and not one organised by the europhile 'Alex' Salmond (leader of the Scottish so-called 'National' Party).

I believe that if a referendum were held in Scotland soon on quitting the UK the UK Unionists in Scotland would win it. I hope that the UK never breaks up.

However, in the event that Scotland left the UK, the Union of the UK would just carry on without her (as we know, a sort of UK - the English/Welsh Union - existed for centuries before Scotland helped form the UK).

Britannist · 24-02-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

About the Scottish parliament: the building is ugly from the outside and was far too expensive to build....

True - its exterior is not nice. And it cost too much.

If there has to be a Scottish Parliament I don't know why they can't use as its base Edinburgh Castle, Stirling Castle or one of the many other fine buildings in Scotland.

Britannist · 24-02-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

About Alex Salmond: a very popular and competent national leader...

I wouldn't call him (Salmond: leader of the europhile Scottish National Party - SNP) popular.

By the way, his party won less votes in last May's Scottish Parliamentary election than did the Scottish Conservatives in Scotland at the June 1987 General Election.

Salmond claimed in June 1987 that the Scottish Conservatives had no mandate - yet they got more votes then than his lot (the anti-UK SNP) did last year.

Britannist · 24-02-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

a growing number of Scots want an end to the Union.

Less now, apparently, than in previous opinion polls.

Under the plan of the europhile leader of the Scottish so-called 'National' Party (Salmond) Scotland would quit the UK, abolish its ancient Scottish Pound and then be swallowed up in the EU Superstate now under construction (where it would comprise less than 0.9% of the total EU population).

In other words, Salmond wants to get power from Westminster and give it straight to his EU friends in Brussels, making Scotland a 'sovereignty-free' nation. He is a 'euro-nationalist'.

Northumbrian · 24-02-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Britannist

In other words, Salmond wants to get power from Westminster and give it straight to his EU friends in Brussels, making Scotland a 'sovereignty-free' nation. He is a 'euro-nationalist'.

The EU's for losers, which is why all those Balkan countries want to join it. The EU should suit Scotland well.

Britannist · 24-02-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

The EU's for losers, which is why all those Balkan countries want to join it.

We are losing money to the EU - the southern and eastern european nations are getting it.

Northumbrian · 24-02-2008, 09:20 PM

When I say 'loser', I mean these countries aren't very good at managing on their own two feet. So we could hardly expect them to pay for membership!

24-02-2008, 10:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 951 Party: Free England Party	BBC pushing Scottish Independence Today's BBC has the following item: "Connery: Scots independence close Sir Sean Connery has said he believes Scotland will become an independent country within his lifetime. The 77-year-old former James Bond actor, who lives in the Bahamas, says Scotland is "within touching distance" of achieving independence. Writing for the Scottish Sunday Express, Sir Sean praises the work of the SNP government which gained power in the devolved parliament last year. He has been the SNP's most high-profile supporter, donating thousands to funds. Sir Sean, who was born in Edinburgh, has previously sworn not to return to the country until it is independent. In the article, Sir Sean praises Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond and the work of the SNP government since it came into power in May 2007. Sir Sean writes: "I've always been hopeful about Scotland's prospects. And I now believe more than ever that Scotland is within touching distance of achieving independence and equality." The first step towards achieving this was winning Scotland right to a separate parliament in 1997 and the second was electing an SNP Government last year, the actor says. "I believe we have what it takes to take the third step, and I am convinced it will happen in my lifetime." In the article, Sir Sean also hails Scotland for securing its own parliament for the first time since the "parcel of rogues" sold its freedom in 1707." [end] In a recent post responding to my request for folks to sign an e-petition, Britannist - as ever reasonable - agreed that if there were many Scots who wanted independence, then it would be sensible for the UK government to make preparations for the possible dissolution of the Union. Britannist then said there are not many such Scots wanting independence. My personal viewpoint - and that of members of "Free England Party" - is that it is desirable for England to regain her independence, both from the UK and the EU. Many users of this forum while disagreeing with the former, hopefully agree with the latter! But my challenge to those who wish the Union (as in UK) to persist, is just go visit Scotland, speak to ordinary folks there and ask them what they think of the Scottish Parliament and of Mr Salmond and his government. The answers I get are most often these: About the Scottish parliament: the building is ugly from the outside and was far too expensive to build, but they want it to stay and have more powers. About Alex Salmond: a very popular and competant national leader (and I often hear very strong anti-Labour views expressed). You know that we English cannot force the Scots to love the UK - and we have certainly tried to buy their affections! But their attachment to the Union is fading: a growing number of Scots want an end to the Union. So I think that many people who currently see themselves as "British", may have to think about how their own national identity might change - and is changing For English people living in England at least, there is the obvious choice of seeing yourself as English. There is nothing wrong with feeling pride in being English. There is hope for England yet! __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

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24-02-2008, 09:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 1,431 Party: Free England Party	When I say 'loser', I mean these countries aren't very good at managing on their own two feet. So we could hardly expect them to pay for membership!