Andrew Constantine

In its first honours list, the first government of an Independent England should seriously consider awarding Steve Uncles an honour on the grounds of his so damaging the EDs, and thus causing many sincere English patriots good reason to move to the Free England Party, which then allowed them the resources to make the case for national independence.

The EDs have in Steve their very own Mr Toad! Now which honour do folks think we should give Mr Impulsive?

KBE? Kent's biggest egotist....

Suggestions welcome!

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david H

Why what's he done?

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cassie

This is a hostage to fortune!

Britannist

Mr. Steve Uncles works hard for the pro-England cause (in his case for the English Democrat party) and, despite your jest in the first posting to this thread, I am sure you accept that point, Andrew .

My impression is that both of you work hard for the pro-England movement and I hope that (as I have written before) UKIP and pro-England campaigners can cooperate where possible.

moe

If they cannot be civil to eachother, why dont the EDP and FEP just ignore eachother for the time being? Since the inception of the FEP all we see is squabbling within the English movement.

And I dont care who started it!

Richard the Lionheart

Moe

Please don't label the FEP as the perpetrators of the squabbling within the English movement. You do not know the background to any of it, and before you start deciding that this began when the FEP came on the scene, I suggest you do your research before making such accusations. Just look through some of the threads and posts. Check other forums. You will find it's not only FEP members that are having a row with the English Democrats.

Thank you.

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cassie

You are correct Richard, and I hold my hand up to having given the 'low down' on the EDP since last September! (Incidentally, I hope the FEP creates rights in its rules for its members which, unlike the EDP, are actually observed - and you know what I mean here!)

Even so, moe did say "I dont care who started it" and has not really attributed blame to the FEP. Also, moe has a point about continuing civil (or perhaps it ought to be uncivil) war. Ultimately, it is not helpful to English nationalism. Besides, despite my differences with you and Andrew, I think that both of you are above much of this.

I know K'man and his silly bragging and disparaging remarks are hard to tolerate on occasion but, you know, they don't cut much ice really! All his skewed statistics won't amount to a hill of beans alongside successful election results and membership recruitment.

There is a fundamental difference between your camp and those pressing for a separate English Parliament & Executive within a UK framework. Here, you should bear in mind that, for a number of EDP Members, it is a matter of timing, of tactics, rather than total opposition to independence. This is to say: they see success as more quickly attainable to campaign for a separate English Parliament first alongside leaving the EU, and the question of independence something to follow thereafter.

So, it would seem beneficial for both sides of the argument to stop claiming that their version is the true English nationalism and to unite behind an initiative they both can support without being compromised. I can't think of anything better than demanding that the 84% of the UK's voters in England MUST be allowed to participate in any referenda about changing the status of any part of the UK! In short, if a referendum about Scottish Independence is to be confined to Scotland, ALL English nationalists and ALL English nationalist parties should protest at this lack of democracy!

Of course the collective opinions of voters in Scotland will be crucial in guiding Westminster's subsequent actions, but neither the English nor the Welsh nor the Northern Irish should be deliberately excluded from such a process because it is convenient for a few conceited Westminster Parliamentarians to do that!

A period of reflection for all would not go amiss now.

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rjt

The point is that both within the anti EU movement and it appears within the English movement the story is one of division and that has set back the causes both are fighting for.

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rjt

I feel that is an accurate representation of both men.

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Richard the Lionheart

A very reasoned post Cassie, and one that deserves attention. Our membership rules would be observed strictly, being a Libran I have a very high sense of justice!

I have good relations with a number of ED's the reasonable ones! As Ive said elsewhere, they have a lot of good guys, but one or two get right up my nose. Sometimes it is difficult to control the emotions when we read some daft stuff, and I think it's fair to say we all see the red mist at times.

In my view, and this is only a personal view, I think home rule would be of greater benefit to the people of England. I have posted here and elsewhere, why I don't think a federal UK will happen. I would also ask people, those who are English nationalists, would you rather have a British state with an English parliament, or an English state with an English parliament?

As far as I am aware, we are the only party that supports England getting a vote on independence if Scotland are granted similar. This involves the future of the UK and as such, the electorate of the UK should decide. It's only right, fair, and democratic.

Now, the "debate" with the ED's. Yes, it is harmful, and yes, it needs to stop, but I'm not going to have my party rubbished and not retaliate. It seems to be just one individual who is at the root of it. Stop him and the whole thing grinds to a halt. He doesn't just have a go at us, UKIP cop their fair share too. I couldn't believe all that rubbish about the ED's being the premier Eurosceptic party. I am not a member of UKIP, but I acknowledge UKIP's premier position in the fight against the EU. Without their contribution, the fight would be a whole lot harder.

I guess it's as you say, a time for reflection. There will be issues where we will all have to be united, regardless of what what divides us now.

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