Libertarian Party go after UK MPs

SuperiorSteve · 23-02-2008, 03:22 PM

But personal freedom should include being able to join any political party regardless of other memberships. This is contrary to the whole idea of personal freedom when you cannot be a member of two political parties with similar policies.

I have heard about a branch of the Liberal Party being launched in Southampton so I may join that but I support UKIP and will not rescind my UKIP membership just so I can join another Party.

I should be able to join 2 or 3 parties if their policies are similar enough. The Liberal Party and Libertarian Party would, undoubtedly, be similar with regard to policies, yet I wouldn't be able to join them both even though they are supposed to support maximum personal freedoms.

mkpdavies · 23-02-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

That is very good indeed. Who is behind this outfit?

I have always believed that the key tactic for small parties should be to sabotage the big treason-parties. That way you can punch well above your weight. I did it myself years ago when I hit the Tories in Portsmouth with a slate of Independent Conservatives, split the vote and trashed at least three Tory councillors.

The problem arises when idiots actually start to believe 'I can win!'

The UK Libertarian Party - Leadership

mkpdavies · 23-02-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperiorSteve

But personal freedom should include being able to join any political party regardless of other memberships. This is contrary to the whole idea of personal freedom when you cannot be a member of two political parties with similar policies.

I have heard about a branch of the Liberal Party being launched in Southampton so I may join that but I support UKIP and will not rescind my UKIP membership just so I can join another Party.

I should be able to join 2 or 3 parties if their policies are similar enough. The Liberal Party and Libertarian Party would, undoubtedly, be similar with regard to policies, yet I wouldn't be able to join them both even though they are supposed to support maximum personal freedoms.

They aren't that similar. The Liberals have a Socialist platfrom, but sure they are better than the old scumbag parties.

SuperiorSteve · 23-02-2008, 03:31 PM

I agree that they aren't too similar but I think you're missing my point Matt. I am talking about the fact that I cannot join two parties that believe in democracy and freedom. Why can't parties change this rule and look at individual members' affiliations?

tito · 23-02-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperiorSteve

But personal freedom should include being able to join any political party regardless of other memberships. This is contrary to the whole idea of personal freedom when you cannot be a member of two political parties with similar policies.

I have heard about a branch of the Liberal Party being launched in Southampton so I may join that but I support UKIP and will not rescind my UKIP membership just so I can join another Party.

I should be able to join 2 or 3 parties if their policies are similar enough. The Liberal Party and Libertarian Party would, undoubtedly, be similar with regard to policies, yet I wouldn't be able to join them both even though they are supposed to support maximum personal freedoms.

Nope, the liberals are socialist. if there already was a party with our beliefs we would have joined it and made it better, there isn't.

That isn't the idea of personal freedom. If I opened a bar, and said everyone that comes in isn't allowed to talk and has to sit facing the wall without moving; otherwise they get thrown out; that would be libertarian.

If I started a club that didn't allow blonde people in it, that would be libertarian.

As long as every action is mutual then you are free, that is libertarianism.
We also, for example, require that all of our elected representatives (when we get some) do not claim their pensions, they invest in private pensions instead. It is libertarian because if they do not want a private pension, then they do not use the party ticket in their election.

Hunter · 23-02-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperiorSteve

But personal freedom should include being able to join any political party regardless of other memberships. This is contrary to the whole idea of personal freedom when you cannot be a member of two political parties with similar policies.

I have heard about a branch of the Liberal Party being launched in Southampton so I may join that but I support UKIP and will not rescind my UKIP membership just so I can join another Party.

I should be able to join 2 or 3 parties if their policies are similar enough. The Liberal Party and Libertarian Party would, undoubtedly, be similar with regard to policies, yet I wouldn't be able to join them both even though they are supposed to support maximum personal freedoms.

Where would you stand if both Parties fielded candidates for your local seat? Which Party would you canvass on behalf of?

SuperiorSteve · 23-02-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

That isn't the idea of personal freedom. If I opened a bar, and said everyone that comes in isn't allowed to talk and has to sit facing the wall without moving; otherwise they get thrown out; that would be libertarian.

If I started a club that didn't allow blonde people in it, that would be libertarian.

I thought Libertarianism was minimal Government intervention/control in the private affairs of it's citizens. If you say someone cannot join a club because they are blonde that is not just discriminatory but also against the concept of freedom. You are saying a blonde cannot join the same way that the Government is saying that Commonwealth citizens won't be able to become British citizens, that is intervention.

SuperiorSteve · 23-02-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Where would you stand if both Parties fielded candidates for your local seat? Which Party would you canvass on behalf of?

Er..... Haven't a clue lol

mkpdavies · 23-02-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperiorSteve

I thought Libertarianism was minimal Government intervention/control in the private affairs of it's citizens. If you say someone cannot join a club because they are blonde that is not just discriminatory but also against the concept of freedom. You are saying a blonde cannot join the same way that the Government is saying that Commonwealth citizens won't be able to become British citizens, that is intervention.

So what if it is discriminatory? It's up the OWNER of the establishment. Why would people want to use such an establishment anyway?

If people want to discriminate, then that its their call. It's up to other people whether they reward that discrimination, or punish it by not doing business with them.

That is freedom.

SuperiorSteve · 23-02-2008, 03:46 PM

I think that is wrong. You cannot discriminate against people because of physical appearance or background.

23-02-2008, 03:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
SuperiorSteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 688	But personal freedom should include being able to join any political party regardless of other memberships. This is contrary to the whole idea of personal freedom when you cannot be a member of two political parties with similar policies. I have heard about a branch of the Liberal Party being launched in Southampton so I may join that but I support UKIP and will not rescind my UKIP membership just so I can join another Party. I should be able to join 2 or 3 parties if their policies are similar enough. The Liberal Party and Libertarian Party would, undoubtedly, be similar with regard to policies, yet I wouldn't be able to join them both even though they are supposed to support maximum personal freedoms. __________________ "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life" Cecil Rhodes

23-02-2008, 03:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
SuperiorSteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 688	I agree that they aren't too similar but I think you're missing my point Matt. I am talking about the fact that I cannot join two parties that believe in democracy and freedom. Why can't parties change this rule and look at individual members' affiliations? __________________ "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life" Cecil Rhodes

23-02-2008, 03:46 PM	#20 (permalink)
SuperiorSteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southampton Posts: 688	I think that is wrong. You cannot discriminate against people because of physical appearance or background. __________________ "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life" Cecil Rhodes

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