English Democrats replace UKIP as premier Eurosceptic Party

Mikeuk · 26-03-2008, 03:18 PM

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He then lost his job at the Inland Revenue Valuation Office where he had previously been a member of the union, the Inland Revenue Staff Federation.

He was accused of passing internal documents to Steve Sargent and David Myatt the leaders of the National Socialist Movement. Some of this information about trade unionists who he worked with
appeared on ‘Stormer’ hit lists.

Winder was based at the Lambeth district office of the VO, my last post before I left the Inland Revenue. By the time I arrived there he had already been dismissed.

As I recall Winder was sacked for offering to pass confidential information from our branch to some outfit calling itself the British National Socialist Party. IMHO he should not just have been sacked; he should have been gaoled. Incredibly he appealed against his dismissal through IRSF.

If the English Democrats are tying themselves up with people like this they deserve to be lumped in with the lunatic fringe.

mrabody · 27-03-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

Dartford is a good barometer of the various fortunes of UKIP v's English Democrats.

2003 & 2004 demostrated the rise of UKIP both in Dartford and Nationally,

By 2008 UKIP is simply a sad addition to the Ballot paper attracting just 19 Votes less then 1% of the poll.

More and more Former UKippers are joining the English Democrats as the only serious hope

English Democrats/New England
May 2003 Council election: New England Party - 276 Votes (1 Candidate)
June 2004 European election: English Democrats - 529 Votes (1 Candidate)
May 2005 General election: New England Party - 1,224 Votes (1 Candidate)
July 2006 - 1 x By Election; New England Party - 174 Votes (1 Candidate)
May 2007 Council elections: English Democrats - 5,545 Votes (20 Candidates)
Feb 2008 - 1 x By Election; English Democrats - 198 Votes (1 Candidate)

UKIP
May 2003 Council election: UKIP - 1,935 Votes (14 Candidates)
June 2004 European election: UKIP - 4,628 Votes (1 Candidate)
May 2005 General election: UKIP - 1,407 Votes (1 Candidate)
July 2006 - 1 x By Election UKIP - 179 Votes (1 Candidate)
May 2007 Council elections: UKIP - 664 Votes (4 Candidates)
Feb 2008 - 1 x By Election; English Democrats - 19 Votes (1 Candidate)

English Democrats? Who are they? I don't recall seeing any stand in Runnymede in the past two years, or any other local elections in Surrey for that matter? They must be like the mythical BNP that I'm always hearing about who are also apparently beating UKIP.

Richard the Lionheart · 27-03-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

Dartford is a good barometer of the various fortunes of UKIP v's English Democrats.

2003 & 2004 demostrated the rise of UKIP both in Dartford and Nationally,

By 2008 UKIP is simply a sad addition to the Ballot paper attracting just 19 Votes less then 1% of the poll.

Which is quite impressive, seeing as that is more than twice the number of votes the English Democrats polled in Lambeth.

Does that mean then, that the EDP are a sad addition to the ballot paper?

Northumbrian · 27-03-2008, 07:25 PM

Can't ever remember UKIP being beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party, though.

Andrew Constantine · 27-03-2008, 08:35 PM

Now that the FEDs have decided to try and wipe out the Free England Party, our gloves can start to come off.

This thread was a typical Steve Uncles nonsense right from the start. Dartford is the only stronghold of the FEDs and the credit belongs to Mike Tibby (dating from when he had his own English nationalist grouping) and a very small band of hard working activists.

In other words, as Dartford is unique, it is not a sensible comparator at all!

At present the FEDs will have say, under 1,500 members, are heavily in debt, have no staff and as for democratic credentials can scrape up a very few parish councillors. That's about it!

I do think UKIP are facing a tough challenge next June 2009 if they are to maintain a number of MEPs. But at present, UKIP are better resourced, more numerous, more competant and better known than the FEDs by a huge margin.

But I warn UKIP not to become too complacent ... as the Free England Party is on the way ...

Englander 1 · 27-03-2008, 10:46 PM

Andrew, you are trying to make something out of nothing, I am sure you have a lot to do in planning your campaign and buliding your new party!

All the best and i look forward to celebrating with you when all English nationalists achieve their goals.

Please remember who the enemy is!

Englander 1 · 27-03-2008, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Northumbrian

Can't ever remember UKIP being beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party, though.

Northumbrian do you really think attacking fellow English Nationalists is really productive....good luck with your campaign in Newcastle for your new party.

KeyStage2 · 29-03-2008, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Northumbrian
Can't ever remember UKIP being beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party, though.

I can't think of one English Nationalist organiser, who actually managed to put people off of English Nationalism, apart from Martin Thompson

Northumbrian · 29-03-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

Originally Posted by Northumbrian
Can't ever remember UKIP being beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party, though.

I can't think of one English Nationalist organiser, who actually managed to put people off of English Nationalism, apart from Martin Thompson

Except I wasn't in an English Nationalist organisation.

Richard the Lionheart · 29-03-2008, 12:50 PM

I really don't know why Kentishman keeps on referring to the English Democrats as a nationalist party. They are pro-federalism, which makes them a federalist party. I know you like to think of yourself as a nationalist, but you're not. Live with the fact that you're a federalist, and get on with your life. It's not a shameful thing, it's what you believe in.

27-03-2008, 08:35 PM	#45 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 788 Party: Free England Party	FEDs versus UKIP Now that the FEDs have decided to try and wipe out the Free England Party, our gloves can start to come off. This thread was a typical Steve Uncles nonsense right from the start. Dartford is the only stronghold of the FEDs and the credit belongs to Mike Tibby (dating from when he had his own English nationalist grouping) and a very small band of hard working activists. In other words, as Dartford is unique, it is not a sensible comparator at all! At present the FEDs will have say, under 1,500 members, are heavily in debt, have no staff and as for democratic credentials can scrape up a very few parish councillors. That's about it! I do think UKIP are facing a tough challenge next June 2009 if they are to maintain a number of MEPs. But at present, UKIP are better resourced, more numerous, more competant and better known than the FEDs by a huge margin. But I warn UKIP not to become too complacent ... as the Free England Party is on the way ... __________________ Andrew Constantine Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com http://freeengland.blogspot.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

27-03-2008, 10:46 PM	#46 (permalink)
Englander 1 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WARWICKSHIRE Posts: 372	Andrew, you are trying to make something out of nothing, I am sure you have a lot to do in planning your campaign and buliding your new party! All the best and i look forward to celebrating with you when all English nationalists achieve their goals. Please remember who the enemy is! __________________ "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." - Sir Winston Churchill http://englander1.blogspot.com/

29-03-2008, 12:50 PM	#50 (permalink)
Richard the Lionheart Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 497 Party: Free England Party	I really don't know why Kentishman keeps on referring to the English Democrats as a nationalist party. They are pro-federalism, which makes them a federalist party. I know you like to think of yourself as a nationalist, but you're not. Live with the fact that you're a federalist, and get on with your life. It's not a shameful thing, it's what you believe in. __________________ The Free England Party - England's Premier Nationalist Party www.freeengland.com .....Serious about England

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27-03-2008, 07:25 PM	#44 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 789	Can't ever remember UKIP being beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party, though.

29-03-2008, 01:24 AM	#48 (permalink)
KeyStage2 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,914	Originally Posted by Northumbrian Can't ever remember UKIP being beaten by the Monster Raving Loony Party, though. I can't think of one English Nationalist organiser, who actually managed to put people off of English Nationalism, apart from Martin Thompson