Berwick England/Scotland

cassie · 12-02-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

I do beg your pardon Cassie I thought you were elected to the Parish Council, you also said you stood for District Council also and that was the election I was refering too. if you were elected to both than my warmest best wishes to you in both your roles. [No pardon needed! Your original interpretation (as now made clear) was correct. I was merely querying why you should focus solely on my failures.]

Regretably my past makes me unsuitable for elected office and a year or so ago after the gay adoption row I felt there was no place for me in any political party as there is a wider battle to be fought to protect the rights of Christians in this country, so by letter writing mainly but also active protest on occasion that is what I do. [If I have understood you correctly here, I agree with you. The 'anti-discrimination' laws actually do make provision for exceptions, despite the misrepresentations made by quite a number of MPs who should be better informed. Indeed, the provisions in the Race Relations Act 1976 which enable employers to discriminate and to provide training solely for 'minorities' (ie those already employed by the relevant employer) to enable them to be considered on the same basis as others, has already been perverted to exclude white English people from the requisite training. Last year it was a division in the Environmental Agency (Chief Executive a Scot) which refused an application from a white English girl for training in River Management which was open to Scots, Welsh, blacks . . . in fact anyone not English and white! More recently, London Transport advertised for applicants for training on the same basis. ]

I think I have provided sufficient indication for you to consider whether there is, indeed, a political role to ensure that matters of genuine conscience and conviction are properly addressed together with fairness and equality for the indigenous (alleged 'majority') population. Whether that is as a member of a political party is for you to decide.

All I would say is, if there is a political party you would join but for this single issue, you might consider whether you are better placed to change that party's stance from within as a member or without as a non-member.

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Frith · 12-02-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

I do beg your pardon Cassie I thought you were elected to the Parish Council, you also said you stood for District Council also and that was the election I was refering too. if you were elected to both than my warmest best wishes to you in both your roles.

Regretably my past makes me unsuitable for elected office and a year or so ago after the gay adoption row I felt there was no place for me in any political party as there is a wider battle to be fought to protect the rights of Christians in this country, so by letter writing mainly but also active protest on occasion that is what I do.

Just out of interest rjt, are you working to protect the Anglican Church? I was of the opinion that you are a Catholic. Or are you just defending Christianity in Britain in general?

brad12jy · 12-02-2008, 04:49 PM

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rjt · 12-02-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frith

Just out of interest rjt, are you working to protect the Anglican Church? I was of the opinion that you are a Catholic. Or are you just defending Christianity in Britain in general?

I prefer not to use labels of demonation, but for the sake of description I would best be described as an Evangelical Anglican, I am seeking to defend Christanity in General.

Frith · 12-02-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alteclansing

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BBC NEWS | England | Town leaders oppose Berwick move

If a poll shows 79% want reunification it proves that nationalism is the new force to be reckoned with and that it will only be a matter of time before the English wake up to the fact that they must close ranks and build their own nation in like manner, or be lost.

Frith · 12-02-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

I prefer not to use labels of demonation, but for the sake of description I would best be described as an Evangelical Anglican, I am seeking to defend Christanity in General.

I see, what is your opinion on national churches to make the job easier by handling it in bite sized chunks?

Englishman · 13-02-2008, 09:44 AM

Give them a list of how they are discriminated against and they may then feel discriminated against.
Do they know how Scotland gets a better deal than England?
More money spent their per head per year, Scotland has a parliament England doesn't, free bus travel, no student top up fees etc etc

At the end of the day if they wsant to jump ship instead of sranding and fighting for England, then so be it, they can stand and be counted, and we will know where their heart, soul and aleagence lays.

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Originally Posted by rjt

I hope they think to consult the people of Berwick first, my Uncle and Aunt live up there and i can assure you they dont feel discriminated against, very nice part of Britain is Berwick.

rjt · 13-02-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Englishman

Give them a list of how they are discriminated against and they may then feel discriminated against.
Do they know how Scotland gets a better deal than England?
More money spent their per head per year, Scotland has a parliament England doesn't, free bus travel, no student top up fees etc etc

At the end of the day if they wsant to jump ship instead of sranding and fighting for England, then so be it, they can stand and be counted, and we will know where their heart, soul and aleagence lays.

I dont think they feel discrminated against at all, there alleigance lays with the Union as does mine, the only diffrence is I care more about setting up an English Parliament than they do, they are quite glad not to have anything to do with the Scots Parliament which they think is a waste of time.

I think like the vast majority in the UK they want a fair deal for Britian.

cassie · 13-02-2008, 12:25 PM

This kind of change is not really necessary and the issue should only arise if there is a widespread demand for it in the community affected. In the absence of such demand, to change Berwick's status will not improve relations between England and Scotland; by this I mean the attitude of many individuals in England towards Scotland. It would hardly be a ringing endorsement of the idea of Britain and Britishness, something Scots can adopt and relinquish at will whilst imposing solely Britishness on the English.

In any event, if the question is seriously considered it is to be hoped that, unlike the English county of Monmouthshire in 1972, the voters in the affected community WILL be directly consulted in a proper fashion and not by means of one of New Labour's fake and unrepresentative 'big conversations' or specially selected panels!

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rjt · 13-02-2008, 12:39 PM

Yes I agree with that and I think we have had enough big converstaions to last us a lifetime.

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cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,853	This kind of change is not really necessary and the issue should only arise if there is a widespread demand for it in the community affected. In the absence of such demand, to change Berwick's status will not improve relations between England and Scotland; by this I mean the attitude of many individuals in England towards Scotland. It would hardly be a ringing endorsement of the idea of Britain and Britishness, something Scots can adopt and relinquish at will whilst imposing solely Britishness on the English. In any event, if the question is seriously considered it is to be hoped that, unlike the English county of Monmouthshire in 1972, the voters in the affected community WILL be directly consulted in a proper fashion and not by means of one of New Labour's fake and unrepresentative 'big conversations' or specially selected panels! _______________________