Discussion thread on the Free England Party's electoral strategy

Johnny Hates Jazz · 10-02-2008, 08:04 PM

Fundamentally, I don't understand how your new party will function, when membership is "FREE".

It's a nice thought, but unfortunately it does cost money even to stand in Local Elections, as you have to deliver leaflets and get them printed.

Unfortunately your party is doomed to failure unless you raise some "seed" money from members, but you won't have any !

With no wish for the Free England Party to go into debt - so no loans.

&

No membership fees (as this is free)

Your only option is Donations.

Good Luck, you've made a tough job tougher by offering FREE membership.

Andrew Constantine · 10-02-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kentishman

Fundamentally, I don't understand how your new party will function, when membership is "FREE".

It's a nice thought, but unfortunately it does cost money even to stand in Local Elections, as you have to deliver leaflets and get them printed.

Unfortunately your party is doomed to failure unless you raise some "seed" money from members, but you won't have any !

With no wish for the Free England Party to go into debt - so no loans.

&

No membership fees (as this is free)

Your only option is Donations.

Good Luck, you've made a tough job tougher by offering FREE membership.

Kentishman

1. I am not aware that the Free England Party is offering free membership.
Have you have invented this? Where is your source?

2. I also thought you had given commitments to the ED's NC that you would not be posting on this forum. Is this true?

3. I will be giving the Free England Party a donation (which will be reported to the EC). But even if the party has no funds at all, it would still have £100,000 in net assets more than the EDs.

I think the fact that you and the others made these huge loans to the EDs was an incredibly patriotic thing to do. I applaud you for it. But you should not be advising us about sound party finances, please!

Regards, Andrew

Northumbrian · 10-02-2008, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Englander 1

Northumbrian please dont speak for me!

I'll give you an analogy (as Cassie likes them).

If I lived in Alice Springs, which is in the Northern Territory of Australia, and I campaigned for it to become a state of Australia;

does that make me a Northern Australian nationalist?

Because that's what it states on the EDP manifesto - a constitutional position for England to equal Queensland or Montana etc. and these aren't nations.

Englander 1 · 10-02-2008, 08:50 PM

Dont play games Northumbrian...and dont speak for me!

Northumbrian · 10-02-2008, 09:04 PM

Englander, I didn't say you aren't a nationalist (as plenty of EDP members want a parliament first then independence), but the Party isn't, as there is simply to reference to England becoming a nation state.

On the contrary, the website of the EDP states that 'we are not anti the Union like the SNP and Plaid Cymru'.

Andrew Constantine · 10-02-2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Englander 1

Dont play games Northumbrian...and dont speak for me!

All the three main UK political parties and most of the smaller parties (UKIP, BNP etc) are Unionist. For English nationalists who cherish the Union - and there clearly are a number - then the EDs are an obvious choice.

For English nationalists who want an Independent England (i.e. the dissolution of the Union) then the Free England Party is now the obvious choice.

The real question is whether it is possible for England to have its own Parliament and for the Union to endure. There is a growing body of opinion that the two are incompatible. The EDs might wish to decide which they prefer: the Union as presently constituted or English Independence. The EDs need to come to a landing on that question.

The members (present and future) of the Free England Party have already decided what they wish to see and will campaign for that end with growing confidence.

Regards, Andrew

Johnny Hates Jazz · 11-02-2008, 01:16 PM

The "Real" question is that 95% of people who vote for an English Party, don't have a clue what the detailed policy is of that party.

Your continuing focus on just one policy difference is mis-placed, in that it will not be a significant differentiator.

I predict that if you insist on standing in one of the London Constituencies, you will simply halve the English Nationalist Vote.

It's a free country but it seems to me as an incredibly silly thing to do, and you are certainly not going to impress anybody in the English Nationalist Movement.

What's more there is no "Free" distribution of leaflets associated with standing in a London Assembly Seat or indeed as part of a party list, so basically you are simply paying £1,000 to determine if the average voter has a better name acceptance ie - is

Free England - Independence For England
better than:-
English Democrats - Putting England First

Even then the experiment would not be valid as the English Democrats will have the advantage of a 5 Min Party Political and the London Mayoral Booklet, so you are giving yourself a disadvantage to start off with.

The English Democrats have NEVER stood against another English Nationalist Party, in our 5 year history, however inorder to qualify for the London Broadcast and Mayoral Booklet, we need to have a full slate of candidates - you are fully aware of this, otherwise, we would no doubt be able to accommodate your wishes.

What a sad way forward for someone who was once well respected within the English Democrats.

If you had stayed in the (English Democrats) party then you would have been No 1 on the Party List with the best chance of getting elected, as you are well aware.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 11-02-2008, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Kentishman

1. I am not aware that the Free England Party is offering free membership.
Have you have invented this? Where is your source?

2. I also thought you had given commitments to the ED's NC that you would not be posting on this forum. Is this true?

3. I will be giving the Free England Party a donation (which will be reported to the EC). But even if the party has no funds at all, it would still have £100,000 in net assets more than the EDs.

I think the fact that you and the others made these huge loans to the EDs was an incredibly patriotic thing to do. I applaud you for it. But you should not be advising us about sound party finances, please!

Regards, Andrew

Response

1 - It says so in your new party name ? - The "FREE" England Party

2 - What's your source on this one please ?

3 - Good very patriotic of you - note that the ED's have considerably more nett assets then for example the Conservative & Unionist Party.

I'm sure you will run a "good ship" in your New Party, with so much "Hype" on the forums, we are all expecting superb results from your new party.

Englishman · 11-02-2008, 01:55 PM

A party for independence for England, is a great idea.

I admire what you have done, and want this to work for you,
but feel for you so much concerning money backing, because without this (And this is not a critisism or attack of any form) you will probably go no further than the England Independence Party, i.e. this has been done before without decent cash backing.

I still say go for it! in the hope that you will conduct yourself better promotion wise than the England Independece Party seemed to have.

My overall view..

1 = Independence for England is a vote winner and will attrack suporters, especialy English nationalists, and is easy to get across to the public, far better than a Parliament for England has done for the English Democrats, sadly.

2 = I fear your task will be one huge strugle, if you haven't much money.

3 = If you are a civic nationalist party, this will go against you big time, as proven by the English Democrats party.

4 = The perfect English nationalist party which I feel would do the best,
and this is based on expereance...
would be one fighting for the ethnic English with a sympathetic ear for the Civic English, (Not the other way around) and one that also calls for independence, and last but not least, one with decent cash behind it.

All the best to every one involved, and I hope others see sence, and jump on board from other English nationalist parties, as I don't want to see more English split through politics.

Richard the Lionheart · 11-02-2008, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Englander 1

Looks like my colleague was right about you Richard!

Seems like you are a very confused individual!

Look, I have no interest in arguing with you. I just want you accept the fact that the EDP are not campaigning for a nation state of England, they are campaigning for a federal UK. The EDP, as you remember, voted AGAINST allowing people to choose, in a referendum, if they wanted England to become a self-governing nation. Remember that, voted AGAINST offering a referendum. Choice denial I call it.

Now, if you really would like to work towards the creation of a nation state for England, I am sure there would be an opportunity for you to exercise your talents in the Free England Party.

Think on it my friend......a new party, a new opportunity.

10-02-2008, 08:04 PM	#21 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Fundamentally, I don't understand how your new party will function, when membership is "FREE". It's a nice thought, but unfortunately it does cost money even to stand in Local Elections, as you have to deliver leaflets and get them printed. Unfortunately your party is doomed to failure unless you raise some "seed" money from members, but you won't have any ! With no wish for the Free England Party to go into debt - so no loans. & No membership fees (as this is free) Your only option is Donations. Good Luck, you've made a tough job tougher by offering FREE membership. __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

10-02-2008, 08:50 PM	#24 (permalink)
Englander 1 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WARWICKSHIRE Posts: 390 Party: English Democrats	Dont play games Northumbrian...and dont speak for me! __________________ "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." - Sir Winston Churchill

11-02-2008, 01:16 PM	#27 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	The "Real" question is that 95% of people who vote for an English Party, don't have a clue what the detailed policy is of that party. Your continuing focus on just one policy difference is mis-placed, in that it will not be a significant differentiator. I predict that if you insist on standing in one of the London Constituencies, you will simply halve the English Nationalist Vote. It's a free country but it seems to me as an incredibly silly thing to do, and you are certainly not going to impress anybody in the English Nationalist Movement. What's more there is no "Free" distribution of leaflets associated with standing in a London Assembly Seat or indeed as part of a party list, so basically you are simply paying £1,000 to determine if the average voter has a better name acceptance ie - is Free England - Independence For England better than:- English Democrats - Putting England First Even then the experiment would not be valid as the English Democrats will have the advantage of a 5 Min Party Political and the London Mayoral Booklet, so you are giving yourself a disadvantage to start off with. The English Democrats have NEVER stood against another English Nationalist Party, in our 5 year history, however inorder to qualify for the London Broadcast and Mayoral Booklet, we need to have a full slate of candidates - you are fully aware of this, otherwise, we would no doubt be able to accommodate your wishes. What a sad way forward for someone who was once well respected within the English Democrats. If you had stayed in the (English Democrats) party then you would have been No 1 on the Party List with the best chance of getting elected, as you are well aware. __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

11-02-2008, 01:55 PM	#29 (permalink)
Englishman Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 221	A party for independence for England, is a great idea. I admire what you have done, and want this to work for you, but feel for you so much concerning money backing, because without this (And this is not a critisism or attack of any form) you will probably go no further than the England Independence Party, i.e. this has been done before without decent cash backing. I still say go for it! in the hope that you will conduct yourself better promotion wise than the England Independece Party seemed to have. My overall view.. 1 = Independence for England is a vote winner and will attrack suporters, especialy English nationalists, and is easy to get across to the public, far better than a Parliament for England has done for the English Democrats, sadly. 2 = I fear your task will be one huge strugle, if you haven't much money. 3 = If you are a civic nationalist party, this will go against you big time, as proven by the English Democrats party. 4 = The perfect English nationalist party which I feel would do the best, and this is based on expereance... would be one fighting for the ethnic English with a sympathetic ear for the Civic English, (Not the other way around) and one that also calls for independence, and last but not least, one with decent cash behind it. All the best to every one involved, and I hope others see sence, and jump on board from other English nationalist parties, as I don't want to see more English split through politics. __________________ Werian Englalond (Defend England) The spirit of Wat Tyler !

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10-02-2008, 09:04 PM	#25 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 1,429 Party: Free England Party	Englander, I didn't say you aren't a nationalist (as plenty of EDP members want a parliament first then independence), but the Party isn't, as there is simply to reference to England becoming a nation state. On the contrary, the website of the EDP states that 'we are not anti the Union like the SNP and Plaid Cymru'.