English Democrats Contest 2 Council By-Elections first time

Johnny Hates Jazz · 07-02-2008, 12:47 AM

http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/media/SOPN_COP08.pdf

Portsmouth - David Knight - Election 7 February 2008

http://www.dartford.gov.uk/elections...sNominated.pdf

Dartford - Mike Tibby - Election 21 February 2008

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Congratulations go to David Knight and Mike Tibby - Activists who get the English Democrats known through election activity

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Ironically, although the English Democrats have contested 2 x Parliamentary By-Elections before this is the first time, they have contested 2 x Coucil By-Elections - at the same time.

ANGLO-STAFFS · 08-02-2008, 02:08 PM

Portsmouth City Council, Copnor

Andy Fraser, L D, 1835, 55.8% L D Gain.
Jim Flemming, Con, 904, 27.5%
Terry O’Brien, Lab, 349, 10.6%
David Knight, Eng Dem, 117 3.6%
Michelle Essery, UKIP, 57, 1.7%
Mark Austin, Ind, 28, 0.8%

Johnny Hates Jazz · 08-02-2008, 03:46 PM

The issue in the Portsmouth By-Election was the Fire Station Closer

The Liberal Democrats chose a former Fireman as their Candidate - this gave them a big swing.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 08-02-2008, 03:46 PM

Althought not good the English Democrats vote was twice that of UKIP

Mikeuk · 08-02-2008, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Portsmouth City Council, Copnor

Andy Fraser, L D, 1835, 55.8% L D Gain.
Jim Flemming, Con, 904, 27.5%
Terry O’Brien, Lab, 349, 10.6%
David Knight, Eng Dem, 117 3.6%
Michelle Essery, UKIP, 57, 1.7%
Mark Austin, Ind, 28, 0.8%

That vote was heavily influenced by a particular local issue - the proposed closure of the Copnor Road Fire station. The victorious LibDem is a retired fireman who was campaigning on the issue.

It's embarrassing that the English 'Democrats', who are a total waste of space, got twice as many votes as UKIP.

Probably the electors thought they were the BNP.

Northumbrian · 08-02-2008, 07:16 PM

And probably the electors didn't think of UKIP at all!

eublues · 08-02-2008, 07:21 PM

Anywhere were 56% vote for the Lib Dems has to be a bit wacky.

Andrew Constantine · 08-02-2008, 07:26 PM

Before the mud-slinging start, I think it is worth noting that the ED's Dave Knight has worked very hard to build up a local following. If he continues to build up the local EDs, I think he will win. Congratulations to him for a good result, and which promises more in the future. It's the way to do it.

Independent UKIP · 08-02-2008, 11:43 PM

Er, before we start congratulating the EDs on their fantastic performance...

The fact, no mud-slinging being necessary, is that the ED vote collapsed (from 17.22% to 3.55%). I have no reason to doubt Kentishman's explanation for the result of this election. Another fact is that Portsmouth has previously been considered by the EDs as one of their strongest areas, fairly similar to Dartford. Another fact is that there were no UKIP candidates in the 2006 & 2007 local elections so regrettably UKIP is operating from a lower base as compared to areas such as Hartlepool. Yes, there was a UKIP candidate in a local by-election last year. She, the same Ms Essery beat the ED candidate whose parties vote share halved from where it was earlier in the year.

I hope Mr Knight will take your advice Andrew so that the developing local UKIP presence will be increasingly seen as the credible alternative to LibLabCon.

Englishman · 09-02-2008, 12:55 AM

Its actualy sad to still keep seeing these low votes from the EDP, I wish I wouldn't be able to say that.
Though yes a ward where the Lib dems win is an odd ward?

The EDP are good enough to be beating UKIP, this is evident, but both parties would benifit by being more radical,
hence this is where the BNP come from politically and it is common for them to beat both EDP and UKIP in elections, and they are now winning and comming very close to winning in many elections.

Just my point of view.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

Portsmouth City Council, Copnor

Andy Fraser, L D, 1835, 55.8% L D Gain.
Jim Flemming, Con, 904, 27.5%
Terry O’Brien, Lab, 349, 10.6%
David Knight, Eng Dem, 117 3.6%
Michelle Essery, UKIP, 57, 1.7%
Mark Austin, Ind, 28, 0.8%

07-02-2008, 12:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	English Democrats Contest 2 Council By-Elections first time http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/media/SOPN_COP08.pdf Portsmouth - David Knight - Election 7 February 2008 http://www.dartford.gov.uk/elections...sNominated.pdf Dartford - Mike Tibby - Election 21 February 2008 ====================================== Congratulations go to David Knight and Mike Tibby - Activists who get the English Democrats known through election activity ====================================== Ironically, although the English Democrats have contested 2 x Parliamentary By-Elections before this is the first time, they have contested 2 x Coucil By-Elections - at the same time. __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

08-02-2008, 02:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
ANGLO-STAFFS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 635	Massive LD gain from Con. Eng' Dem' trail..... Portsmouth City Council, Copnor Andy Fraser, L D, 1835, 55.8% L D Gain. Jim Flemming, Con, 904, 27.5% Terry O’Brien, Lab, 349, 10.6% David Knight, Eng Dem, 117 3.6% Michelle Essery, UKIP, 57, 1.7% Mark Austin, Ind, 28, 0.8%

08-02-2008, 03:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	The issue in the Portsmouth By-Election was the Fire Station Closer The Liberal Democrats chose a former Fireman as their Candidate - this gave them a big swing. __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

08-02-2008, 03:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,973 Party: English Democrats	Althought not good the English Democrats vote was twice that of UKIP __________________ *English Democrats SAY NO* To European Union English not British** not European *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

08-02-2008, 07:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 951 Party: Free England Party	Dave Knight Before the mud-slinging start, I think it is worth noting that the ED's Dave Knight has worked very hard to build up a local following. If he continues to build up the local EDs, I think he will win. Congratulations to him for a good result, and which promises more in the future. It's the way to do it. __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

08-02-2008, 07:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 1,430 Party: Free England Party	And probably the electors didn't think of UKIP at all!

08-02-2008, 07:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,102	Anywhere were 56% vote for the Lib Dems has to be a bit wacky.

08-02-2008, 11:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Independent UKIP Uber Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Posts: 2,406	Er, before we start congratulating the EDs on their fantastic performance... The fact, no mud-slinging being necessary, is that the ED vote collapsed (from 17.22% to 3.55%). I have no reason to doubt Kentishman's explanation for the result of this election. Another fact is that Portsmouth has previously been considered by the EDs as one of their strongest areas, fairly similar to Dartford. Another fact is that there were no UKIP candidates in the 2006 & 2007 local elections so regrettably UKIP is operating from a lower base as compared to areas such as Hartlepool. Yes, there was a UKIP candidate in a local by-election last year. She, the same Ms Essery beat the ED candidate whose parties vote share halved from where it was earlier in the year. I hope Mr Knight will take your advice Andrew so that the developing local UKIP presence will be increasingly seen as the credible alternative to LibLabCon.

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