Libertarian Party UK Launch

Dan · 08-02-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

There is such a thing as society, Thatch was wrong.

I've always wondered why Mrs T got hammered for this quote, especially when you look at exactly what she said:

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

I'd have thought that there's a lot in there that a libertarian would agree with.

mkpdavies · 08-02-2008, 08:37 PM

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Just those few words "there is no such thing as society

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There is. We can't all just pretend the others don't exist.

Frith · 09-02-2008, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

I've always wondered why Mrs T got hammered for this quote, especially when you look at exactly what she said:

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

I'd have thought that there's a lot in there that a libertarian would agree with.

There is, there is just little in it a socialist would agree with. Socialist = collectivism; Libertarian = individualism

There is some of each in everyone.

Ihope · 16-02-2008, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Zak64

I'm not about to join a party that can't even publish an outline manifesto on it's web site as yet.

Cart before the horse I feel.

Ukpopdems have one, what do you think about their manifesto?

They seriously care about peoples issues and listen to people. Which party are you in?

John Connor · 16-02-2008, 10:50 AM

Won't work. People will run a mile from the word "libertarian" because the lefties have poisoned the definition with accusations of racism and the like. Plus, of course, they're not advertising during Big Brother.

mkpdavies · 16-02-2008, 10:58 AM

People don't really want freedom, I have to agree.

Still, I don't care. I do want freedom and want to be in a party that will make the case for it.

British-Conservatism · 21-02-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan

I've always wondered why Mrs T got hammered for this quote, especially when you look at exactly what she said:

"I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

I'd have thought that there's a lot in there that a libertarian would agree with.

People tend to think that as if they did not they would think why bother having a government at all.

British-Conservatism · 21-02-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frith

I think a Libertarian Party in the UK is good. There is one in America that quite a few Americans I know belong to as they can't stomach the other two in their present format. Libertarianism would in any case be a voice for all kinds of freedom issues. It's nice to see people making a stand. Good luck with the new Party.

The American Libertarian party is the biggest third party in the USA now with quite a large amount of elected representatives.

British-Conservatism · 21-02-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Frith

There is, there is just little in it a socialist would agree with. Socialist = collectivism; Libertarian = individualism

There is some of each in everyone.

You forget Conservative = paternalism.

British-Conservatism · 21-02-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by John Connor

Won't work. People will run a mile from the word "libertarian" because the lefties have poisoned the definition with accusations of racism and the like. Plus, of course, they're not advertising during Big Brother.

Won’t be perceived racism that will cost you votes but the fact you want to privatise the NHS and legalise heroin (if you are going by American Libertarian policy as is).

16-02-2008, 10:50 AM	#15 (permalink)
John Connor Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gone Posts: 952 Party: None	Won't work. People will run a mile from the word "libertarian" because the lefties have poisoned the definition with accusations of racism and the like. Plus, of course, they're not advertising during Big Brother. __________________ There are three types of people in this world: Libertarians, fascists and those who haven't been paying attention. Users on ignore list: Akria, Besoeker, Clippo, david H, Ian C.

16-02-2008, 10:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,837 Party: Libertarian Party	People don't really want freedom, I have to agree. Still, I don't care. I do want freedom and want to be in a party that will make the case for it. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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