UKIP policy will bring BENEFITS to all

brad12jy · 03-02-2008, 04:36 PM

UKIP policy will bring BENEFITS to all

For taxpayers
Lower taxes - and our manifesto fully explains how we’ll achieve low taxes. Lower food prices. Lower prices for all products in shops.

For homeowner when attacked
Presumption of innocence if you defend your home.

For the first time buyer of a home
Easier to find and keep a job in a booming economy - lower income tax - halved council tax.

For savers
Restore tax advantage to pension funds. (i.e. no tax on dividends)

For business
Low flat rate taxes, as in Estonia, Slovakia and Hong Kong. (Scrap VAT and have only a sales tax. Much simpler) - scrap EU red tape - leading to easier times and an expanding economy.

For consumers
Saving of £873 per person per year (in lower prices and lower taxes) just from scrapping EU red tape.

For workers and job seekers
More jobs on offer, because of expanding economy

For women, part-timers, older people, and semi-disabled
More jobs on offer, easier to get a job.

For pensioners
Raise state pension by £25 per week (simply using the amount by which we now subsidise the EU) - restore full pension to British pensioners living overseas.

For council taxpayers
Halve council tax for all.

For income tax payers
Combine NI with income tax. Low flat rates. Stimulate economic activity. Reduce incentive to evade.

For civil servants
Run an economy that can afford to pay your pensions, unlike now.

For doctors
Trust the professionals - we’ll let the doctors run the health service. Scrap targets. Reintroduce matrons in charge of everything. Scrap quangos. (Scrap modernisation agency, and strategic health authorities). Scrap working time directive.

For patients
Surgeries open evenings and weekends. Scrap EU restraint on food supplements and herbal medicines. Matrons keeping hospitals clean.

For teachers
Trust the professionals - let the teachers run the schools, no government interference in exams. Let headmasters sack unruly pupils with no outside interference. Teachers to run all intermediate tests (Scrap SATs).

For students at schools
Reintroduce assisted places scheme in schools. Maybe school vouchers. More grammar schools*.

For students at universities
Scrap sub-standard university courses. Do not expand places by reducing standards. No top up fees. No student loans. Give maintenance grants instead. But to fewer students overall. Graduates will then get jobs more easily.

For school leavers
Many (like Richard Branson) will be lured into jobs straight from school (better job market).

For soldiers
Use military only for our defence. More money for the military. Retain ancient regiments.

For fishermen
Regain our fishing industry. Manage it like Iceland, successfully. Don't throw 90% of the catch back, dead, into the sea (as is now done under appalling EU regulations). Fallow zones introduced speedily.

For farmers
Manage our own farming - scrap EU red tape, thus restoring local abattoirs. Manage disease outbreaks better, free of EU rules. Apply subsidies in British interests only.

For police
Cut targets, cut reporting, cut paper. Chief constables responsible to local government. Credible sentences.

For Africa
Restore fair trade terms - scrap unfair EU trade subsidies and rules.

For the environment
Cut emissions - go nuclear, like France. Control immigration to what is good for the country - (which reduces stress on the green belt). Points system. Firm enforcement. Scrap GM foods.

For our grand-children
Restore our freedoms: restore Westminster democracy, habeas corpus, jury trial, rule against double jeopardy, freedom of speech (all now being suppressed).

Andrew Constantine · 03-02-2008, 05:06 PM

The above post of make believe policies is a waste of your time posting it and of our time in opening it.

UKIP and the other anti-EU parties face considerable structural obstacles to making any real political progress. If you have time and energy, please provide reasoned comments on how the anti-EU parties can make progress.

Regards, Andrew

cassie · 03-02-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

The above post of make believe policies is a waste of your time posting it and of our time in opening it.

UKIP and the other anti-EU parties face considerable structural obstacles to making any real political progress. If you have time and energy, please provide reasoned comments on how the anti-EU parties can make progress.

Regards, Andrew

I agree with the main thrust of this! Unfortunately, too many new, small parties seem to feel the need to set out a range of policies as though they were knocking on the door of No 10 and, after the next general election, will be in government! It's make-believe politics and as convincing as Arthur Scargill's or Donald Trump's hair arrangements.

A plethora of policies obscures the main difference between UKIP and the parties it wishes to supplant. Also, it means there are many more issues about which to disagree and forfeit members in consequence. The EDP is almost as bad, but you can't put sense where there aint none!

That independent chappie in the Forest of Dean didn't win and get the Labour MP kicked out because he had an extensive foreign policy! He had one core issue which struck a huge cord with constituents . . . dissatisfaction with what the Government was doing to their local hospitals.

komerad · 03-02-2008, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine

The above post of make believe policies is a waste of your time posting it and of our time in opening it.

UKIP and the other anti-EU parties face considerable structural obstacles to making any real political progress. If you have time and energy, please provide reasoned comments on how the anti-EU parties can make progress. Regards, Andrew

AC - completely agree with you - the post of alteclansing is something out of "Alice in Wonderland"
I assume his "manifest" is when UKIP is in Government.
alterclansing - there is more chance of me winning the 100m sprint at the 2012 Olympics with my replacement hip & knee, than UKIP becoming the government.

brad12jy · 03-02-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by komerad

AC - completely agree with you - the post of alteclansing is something out of "Alice in Wonderland"
I assume his "manifest" is when UKIP is in Government.
alterclansing - there is more chance of me winning the 100m sprint at the 2012 Olympics with my replacement hip & knee, than UKIP becoming the government.

and what party would you support?

Andrew Constantine · 03-02-2008, 07:56 PM

Alteclansing

To be constructive, it should be common ground that a party needs to get real support (or traction) to make much progress. The major parties have very important social and commercial interest groups in tow. Labour still has the unions, and had its Scottish base secure. Tories have much business support, the rich and the countryside.

The small parties (UKIP etc) are recent in origin and are looking at a pretty empty cupboard when seeking interest groups, so they tend to be single issue parties or they have to get traction from other parts of politics.

Even when I belonged to UKIP, I banged on about the open goal of English nationalism. In fact, I am nowadays a 100% English nationalist and disapprove of so many aspects of the EU but from the perspective of how the EU affects England.

I and others (say, Britannist on this forum) wish to see the anti-EU forces forming an alliance and fighting the EU wearing English colours.

10 years ago there was no Scottish parliament and no Welsh Assembly. Today the Scottish government is run by the nationalist SNP and Welsh nationalists are in a coalition government in Wales. Meanwhile otherwise bright UKIPpers who live in England and who are English bang on about being "British" and closing down the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly when UKIP forms the UK government. The politics of the lunatic asylum!

The new party I and a few others are setting up is already getting enquiries about membership ... before the party is even formed! Many, many English people are totally fed up with the Union. UKIP can still choose to go with the tide of English nationalism...it may derive much support. After all, over 50 million of the UK's population live in England - and UKIP has a pitiful presence in Scotland. What has UKIP got to lose?

Hope the above is worth thinking about.

Regards, Andrew

Northumbrian · 03-02-2008, 08:46 PM

It would make more sense devising policies for your local area, as far more local council seats are contested than parliamentary constituencies.

Richard the Lionheart · 05-02-2008, 06:25 PM

The point about the nationalist parties running Scotland and in coalition in Wales is a good one, and would indicate that there is no way any of the big three would allow a parliament for England.

For me, the best way for England to gain control of her own affairs, is to terminate the UK, which will not only provide an English parliament by default, but also get us out of the EU. It was the UK that signed up to the EEC, not its constituent members, and they would have to apply to join as individual states. This would of course have to be approved by a referendum, and I'm sure we wouldnt make the same mistake twice!

cassie · 05-02-2008, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard the Lionheart

The point about the nationalist parties running Scotland and in coalition in Wales is a good one, and would indicate that there is no way any of the big three would allow a parliament for England.

For me, the best way for England to gain control of her own affairs, is to terminate the UK, which will not only provide an English parliament by default, but also get us out of the EU. It was the UK that signed up to the EEC, not its constituent members, and they would have to apply to join as individual states. This would of course have to be approved by a referendum, and I'm sure we wouldn't make the same mistake twice!

How exactly are you going to effect this . . . by invading Parliament and seizing power or what?

_________________

Richard the Lionheart · 05-02-2008, 06:55 PM

no, by democratic means of course. How would the UK come to an end? By one of the signatories of the act of union withdrawing. There might be a referendum on this in the next 2-3 years.

03-02-2008, 04:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
brad12jy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Posts: 651	UKIP policy will bring BENEFITS to all UKIP policy will bring BENEFITS to all For taxpayers Lower taxes - and our manifesto fully explains how we’ll achieve low taxes. Lower food prices. Lower prices for all products in shops. For homeowner when attacked Presumption of innocence if you defend your home. For the first time buyer of a home Easier to find and keep a job in a booming economy - lower income tax - halved council tax. For savers Restore tax advantage to pension funds. (i.e. no tax on dividends) For business Low flat rate taxes, as in Estonia, Slovakia and Hong Kong. (Scrap VAT and have only a sales tax. Much simpler) - scrap EU red tape - leading to easier times and an expanding economy. For consumers Saving of £873 per person per year (in lower prices and lower taxes) just from scrapping EU red tape. For workers and job seekers More jobs on offer, because of expanding economy For women, part-timers, older people, and semi-disabled More jobs on offer, easier to get a job. For pensioners Raise state pension by £25 per week (simply using the amount by which we now subsidise the EU) - restore full pension to British pensioners living overseas. For council taxpayers Halve council tax for all. For income tax payers Combine NI with income tax. Low flat rates. Stimulate economic activity. Reduce incentive to evade. For civil servants Run an economy that can afford to pay your pensions, unlike now. For doctors Trust the professionals - we’ll let the doctors run the health service. Scrap targets. Reintroduce matrons in charge of everything. Scrap quangos. (Scrap modernisation agency, and strategic health authorities). Scrap working time directive. For patients Surgeries open evenings and weekends. Scrap EU restraint on food supplements and herbal medicines. Matrons keeping hospitals clean. For teachers Trust the professionals - let the teachers run the schools, no government interference in exams. Let headmasters sack unruly pupils with no outside interference. Teachers to run all intermediate tests (Scrap SATs). For students at schools Reintroduce assisted places scheme in schools. Maybe school vouchers. More grammar schools*. For students at universities Scrap sub-standard university courses. Do not expand places by reducing standards. No top up fees. No student loans. Give maintenance grants instead. But to fewer students overall. Graduates will then get jobs more easily. For school leavers Many (like Richard Branson) will be lured into jobs straight from school (better job market). For soldiers Use military only for our defence. More money for the military. Retain ancient regiments. For fishermen Regain our fishing industry. Manage it like Iceland, successfully. Don't throw 90% of the catch back, dead, into the sea (as is now done under appalling EU regulations). Fallow zones introduced speedily. For farmers Manage our own farming - scrap EU red tape, thus restoring local abattoirs. Manage disease outbreaks better, free of EU rules. Apply subsidies in British interests only. For police Cut targets, cut reporting, cut paper. Chief constables responsible to local government. Credible sentences. For Africa Restore fair trade terms - scrap unfair EU trade subsidies and rules. For the environment Cut emissions - go nuclear, like France. Control immigration to what is good for the country - (which reduces stress on the green belt). Points system. Firm enforcement. Scrap GM foods. For our grand-children Restore our freedoms: restore Westminster democracy, habeas corpus, jury trial, rule against double jeopardy, freedom of speech (all now being suppressed). __________________ My ignore list - Tony Bennett

03-02-2008, 05:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 951 Party: Free England Party	Pointless UKIP policy wish list The above post of make believe policies is a waste of your time posting it and of our time in opening it. UKIP and the other anti-EU parties face considerable structural obstacles to making any real political progress. If you have time and energy, please provide reasoned comments on how the anti-EU parties can make progress. Regards, Andrew __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

03-02-2008, 07:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Constantine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 951 Party: Free England Party	Traction Alteclansing To be constructive, it should be common ground that a party needs to get real support (or traction) to make much progress. The major parties have very important social and commercial interest groups in tow. Labour still has the unions, and had its Scottish base secure. Tories have much business support, the rich and the countryside. The small parties (UKIP etc) are recent in origin and are looking at a pretty empty cupboard when seeking interest groups, so they tend to be single issue parties or they have to get traction from other parts of politics. Even when I belonged to UKIP, I banged on about the open goal of English nationalism. In fact, I am nowadays a 100% English nationalist and disapprove of so many aspects of the EU but from the perspective of how the EU affects England. I and others (say, Britannist on this forum) wish to see the anti-EU forces forming an alliance and fighting the EU wearing English colours. 10 years ago there was no Scottish parliament and no Welsh Assembly. Today the Scottish government is run by the nationalist SNP and Welsh nationalists are in a coalition government in Wales. Meanwhile otherwise bright UKIPpers who live in England and who are English bang on about being "British" and closing down the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly when UKIP forms the UK government. The politics of the lunatic asylum! The new party I and a few others are setting up is already getting enquiries about membership ... before the party is even formed! Many, many English people are totally fed up with the Union. UKIP can still choose to go with the tide of English nationalism...it may derive much support. After all, over 50 million of the UK's population live in England - and UKIP has a pitiful presence in Scotland. What has UKIP got to lose? Hope the above is worth thinking about. Regards, Andrew __________________ Andrew Constantine says: The EU is a French-German racket and is incompatible with democracy. An independent England will quit the EU forthwith. Free England Party - Independence for England http://www.freeengland.com Signatory to The English Claim of Right http://englishclaimofright.com

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03-02-2008, 08:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
Northumbrian Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne, England Posts: 1,429 Party: Free England Party	It would make more sense devising policies for your local area, as far more local council seats are contested than parliamentary constituencies.

05-02-2008, 06:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
Richard the Lionheart Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 607 Party: Free England Party	The point about the nationalist parties running Scotland and in coalition in Wales is a good one, and would indicate that there is no way any of the big three would allow a parliament for England. For me, the best way for England to gain control of her own affairs, is to terminate the UK, which will not only provide an English parliament by default, but also get us out of the EU. It was the UK that signed up to the EEC, not its constituent members, and they would have to apply to join as individual states. This would of course have to be approved by a referendum, and I'm sure we wouldnt make the same mistake twice!

05-02-2008, 06:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Richard the Lionheart Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 607 Party: Free England Party	no, by democratic means of course. How would the UK come to an end? By one of the signatories of the act of union withdrawing. There might be a referendum on this in the next 2-3 years.