Mikeuk

The vote to abolish these nests of traitors should be taken nationally. When the public learn the waste involved they will get rid of them.

Why should I want my money wasted on traitors and windbags. 90% of the present MPs could be stood against a wall and shot, and we would be many times better off as a result.

Politicians = scum. Treat them like rats and don't encourage new ones to breed.

cassie

You're all heart!

Britannist

I agree Mike - let's have the Swiss referendum system over here.

Let the people have the final decision: not a europhile politically correct 'elite' who are determined to destroy the UK in general and England in particular.

* For those reading this who do not know it: the Government of Switzerland recommended EU entry to the people of wealthy and neutral Switzerland and the voters have Switzerland massively voted against the proposal in the referendum. The British people were never offered a referendum on EEC/EU entry before the UK was forced into the EEC/EU by the europhile Heath.

Switzerland's Government is a Federal Council comprising seven members representing the parties with the largest number of votes in Switzerland. Swiss Government ministers are expected to keep a low profile with many decisions being made by the leaders elected to the governing bodies of the Swiss Cantons (federal regional counties).

Britannist

If the people of England are not given constitutional and financial equality with Scotland in the UK (i.e. England must have the same powers over her own domestic affairs as Scotland has over hers in the Scottish Parliament) then support in England for England quitting the UK (currently opposition to the UK in England is already above 30% - about 11 million voters - according to the most recent opinion poll) will grow substantially.

There are many who now think that the only way to save the UK in anything resembling its present form is to give equality in the Union of the UK to England.

cassie

Yes, I'm inclined to agree with you Britannist. For the UK to have a referendum on continued EU membership and for England to have a separate parliament and executive, voters in England must elect MPs who will actually represent them and not represent every other Tom, Dick and Mohammed instead!

With over 500 Parliamentary Constituencies in England, the English have the ability to assume control of Parliament and to reduce the power of others to more appropriate levels. Because England has the potential to control the UK, it is somewhat absurd to talk of 'independence' for England; it is more appropriately called 'separation'. (Indeed, it seems absurd for 84% of the UK's citizen's to seek independence from the other 16%!)

The Scots and Welsh in positions of power over England ~ especially those occupying Constituencies in England ~ fear a separate English Parliament. They know that it will do much to reinforce, if not restore, a sense of English identity. They are afraid that the consequence will be a huge reduction in both their power and influence in England. Their unfair and unequal present use of power to England's detriment should make them very concerned but they cannot justly complain. They have forfeited the right to be able to exercise such power.

The pressure of dissatisfaction continues to build up. If UKIP and the EDP cannot increase their profiles and support sufficiently, it seems likely that the BNP will benefit, because voters in England will become more desperate and see no practical alternative to voting for BNP candidates. Moreover, I believe that the BNP's policies now include the creation of a separate parliament for England.

We live in interesting times!


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rjt

I would use the word partnership rather than control as that is what the Union should be about.


There needs also to be a far greater realignment politically than simply UKIP and the ED partsy to increase there numbers, niether will be strong enough together or alone to really make a diffrence, there best chance at the moment is to gain one or two seats at the next election and hope we are in a Hung parlaiment situation.

I think you are right to point out that the BNP could grow stronger but there is an inbuilt repulsion within many people for what they stand for and other partys rightly will never co-operate with them.

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cassie

I don't know what you mean by that, but I do know that we can't go on with a deceitful system in which the Scots and Welsh are treated as nations and, despite withholding a similar status from England, enable their six million voters to hold sway over the thirty eight million voters in England!

The Scots in particular have adopted double standards from the outset and have clung to them ever since. THEY have never fully participated in Britishness. So, if it is partnership on the basis of individual nationhood, England's must be fully recognised and the UK will become a federation in consequence. Better that than nothing, assuming that England is not saddled with being the mother hen, the milch cow when the terms of federating are set up!

rjt

You could argue many English never fully participate in Britishness.

I agree with you about England needing to be fully recognised but I would like to see it down in a way that strengtens the Union. I am proud to be English but I am proud to be British also.

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Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.

cassie

Scotland has its own legal system and bank notes, and has had since 1707. It also has its own Educational system and, more recently, its own parliament giving it separate Health and Transport powers. [NB Recent reports about the huge increase in cost of maternity services to immigrants are incurred by the NHS in England, although the Beeb conveniently omits to make this distinction in its reporting. So don't be duped into believing 'we're all in it together' ~ 'cos we aint! (95% of immigrants settle in England.)]

It is very much one-way traffic! We give, they take. Brown referred to the 500,000 Scots in England when he was promoting Britishness ie 10% of the population of Scotland. Imagine if 10% (5 million) of England's population settled in Scotland!

I suppose 5 million people from England moving to Scotland could be held to be a way of reinforcing the Union if they thought like you rjt, especially if they were armed (joke)!


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rjt

And why should it not have its own legal system, if it works and the Scots have confidence in it nobody should have a problem with that.

The main problem is the democratic defecit caused by Devoulution.

Scotland actually gives alot to the Union its proud tradition and culture enrich British life in my view.

I love visiting my relatives in Scotland, it is a lovely place and I feel proud of it.

The real issue is trying to establish an English devolved body, silly snipping about them and us does the cause no good at all.

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Mr Delors said that he wanted the European Parliament to be the democratic body of the community, The Commission to be The Executive and The Council Of Ministers The Senate. NO! NO! NO!
(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

Ignore List: The Prophets of ST Al the Unelectable.