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Thank you for your reply, Andrew. I am glad you are treating this issue sensibly - unlike Northumbrian who appears to give the impression that discussion of the military security of England is a laughing matter.Originally Posted by Andrew Constantine
In response to your question (above quote) - may I suggest that while it might not look as if the EU military has any reason to station troops in Scotland or Wales (if either were not in the UK but were in the EU) - situations change (sometimes quickly).
No one thought Albania would ever let any foreign troops build bases on their soil - but then, quite unexpectedly, Albania's leader Enva Hoxa allowed the communist Chinese in.
Even if the EU military did not send troops to an 'independent' Wales and/or 'Scotland' - both Scotland and Wales would still be a part of the EU military structure (as EU members) and this, in itself, has strategic implications for an England outside the UK and EU.
Yes, the link you have given is very useful, Steve. Thank you.
Dr. Richard North (the anti-EU campaigner and former UKIP member) and Mr. Christopher Booker (the Sunday Telegraph columnist) have been warning about the dangers of the EU setting up its own military force for years. Both Dr. North and Mr. Booker have an excellent knowledge of the background to this and all the supporting facts.
I support the UK as long as England gets equality with Scotland in it.
Andrew, I think that the key priority for all pro-England people (those that support the UK, like me, and those who do not) at this time is to get this Labour shower out of power at Westminster.
Because as long as this Labour regime - the most anti-English Government we have ever had - remains in place, there will be no change to the status quo at all.
Britain was a single nation before the Romans arrived. Scotland was the result of a wall the Romans didn't want to go beyond (for whatever reason). The same goes for Wales. The Romans didn't see much of interest to them there so didn't do the same amount of occupation as with England.
The Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking and Norman invasions weren't as devastating as many people believe. These groups were fewer in number than the inhabitants and were absorbed by the nation.
When the Romans left Britain around 410AD it saw an end to the building of Roman architecture in Britain. The villas were left to ruin as the people moved to cities, or returned to their old way of life. There was very little difference between the Anglo-Saxon and Brit. The Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Normans captured the land by force, but the people didn't change, only their rulers.
As such, the Union of Parliaments only brought the peoples together again. It is the EU-Labour pact that seeks to separate us again, as with the so-called Devolved Parliaments.
We are both British and English.
This is accepted by the largest number of English people according to the most recent opinion poll (carried out late last year) - they consider themselves to be both English and British.
Rather like the people of Bavaria who are proud to be both Bavarians and Germans.
Thank you for your reply, Andrew.
My view (and the legal view) is that The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK) is a single nation state with her own national government and Head of State. The UK is a national entity and Union with her own armed forces defending all four parts of the Union (of the UK); it is a Union which has her own Head of State for all four parts of the Union of the UK; it is a Union in which all the people of the UK speak English as the official language, have British Pasports and use the same British currency and the UK is a Union in which there are no internal border controls. The UK has representation as the UK in all international bodies and through her High Commissions, Embassies, Consuls and other diplomatic missions around the world.
That sounds like a nation to me. Just as the USA, Canada and Australia (all federal) are nations too.
Last edited by Britannist; 24-01-2008 at 11:17 PM.
The Realm referred to above which initially consisted of England and then England and Wales went on to include Scotland and Ireland (and then Northern Ireland) as, thankfully, it still does now.
Indeed, The Realm now includes Jersey, Guernsey, Gibraltar, St. Helena, Bermuda, The Falklands, Isle of Man and many other places (I am pleased to say).
You are going to have to work with pro-England UK Unionists, Richard, if you wish to get a better deal for England.
There are more pro-England UK Unionists than there are anti-UK pro-England people.
The key priority at this time for pro-England people (for those who England out of the UK and those like me, who do not) is to get this Labour shower out of power at Westminster. As long as anti-English Labour is running things in the Commons there will be no change at all to the status quo.
And neither are the tens of millions of people in England who see themselves as both British and English.
It is in the interests of all four parts of the UK that we stay together in the Union of the UK.
Unity in these islands is strength.
If England got a national legislature of her own to match the one in Scotland support in England for England quitting the UK would fall.
They're just a bunch of europhiles who would hand any sovereign powers they got from Westminster straight to Westminster.
The Scottish so-called 'Nationalists' would destroy the Pound (replacing it with the euro) and would lead Scotland into an EU Superstate.
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