Fathers 4 Justice founder to enter Mayoral race

SponPlague · 17-01-2008, 08:35 AM

Why not write the DT and tell him, and the many more readers than on this forum, why he's wrong?

cassie · 17-01-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

Why not write the DT and tell him, and the many more readers than on this forum, why he's wrong?

Extracts from the D Telegraph's website of some readers' comments:

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"why are you comparing Scottish *national* spending with English *regional" spending?"

I would imagine because that is how it is apportioned by HM's government.
Posted by H on January 14, 2008 12:21 PM

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"i'm just looking forward to a Scottish commentator who can balance Cochranes rampant unionism"
Cochrane is Scottish.
Posted by Stuart Parr on January 14, 2008 11:50 AM

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The fact that the West Lothian Question has been ignored is an open wound in the side of Unionism.

Until such time as it is no longer possible for a Scottish MP in Westminster to vote on issues that only concern people living in England and which do not affect his or her constituents, I cannot see any moral justification for the Union's continued existence.

Why does Mr Cochrane never address this matter?
Posted by Rastus C. Tastey on January 14, 2008 11:19 AM

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There are no English regions. They are merely a political artifice designed to bust up and eradicate England to suit the Scots, primarily, and Europhiles.
So any comparison between Scotland and these spurious regions won't wash with the English. The best way forward would be for Scotland to be split up into Highlands, Lowlands and Islands regions alongside Glasgow and Edinburgh city regions.
England and Wales can stay intact so we can compare their spending with the regions of a nation formerly known as Scotland.
The English will not see their country disappear into Euro-regions, only to then see Scotland and Wales become independent.
Posted by Stephen Gash on January 14, 2008 11:11 AM

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Yet more divisive ******** being spouted by the usual petty minded weasels. Who "owns" what, who made a "racist" remark, whose "fault" it all is England or Scotland and wll of the standard whingeing drivel.

This is precisely wht the fascists that call themselves "New" Labour are after, discord and division to keep the chattering classes and pathetic nationalists lips flapping while Brown and his coterie of traitors sell us out to the EU and its unelected commission in exchange for a personal piece of the euro-pie.

They are revolutionaries hell bent on turning this country into an offshore communist ID-Carded, fleeced, tracked and taxed penal colony from which none who are born here shall escape without permission.

So fellow NuSerfs what are you going to do? Keep squabbling about non-issues or unite in common cause and vote this offensive dictatorial dogturd of a NuFascLab excuse of a government into oblivion at each and every opportunity and layer??

The choice is ours. Sit on our complacent backsides whining, or get out and use the only means (albeit rigged) still legal method of riddig ourselves of parashites such as Brown, Blears, Straw, Hain and Harman........ The first blow must be struck in May in London.
Posted by Cllr Jeremy Zeid on January 14, 2008 11:06 AM

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So if you split England into regions, you find
some regions get as much per head as the
average in Scotland. If you looked at women's
basketball teams you might find they were as tall
as the average man. Does this disprove that men
are taller than women? If you are looking at
spending on London, why not compare to
Edinburgh and compare like with like?

English regions have disparities hopefully based
on need, or at least on regular decisions made
by government. The Barnett formula is based on
a 30 year old assessment and population. No
English people would object to Scotland getting
more based on need, or based on financial
independence if they earned more taxes.

The fact that the Scottish spending is delivered
by a Scottish parliament and English expenditure
is delivered by a UK government is of course also
a problem.
Posted by The Secret Person on January 14, 2008 10:34 AM

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Compare like with like, Alex. The Beeb compared Scotland with England, one nation with another. If you want to compare regions, compare Scottish regions with English regions, compare say Edinburgh with London. We live in a Union of nations. The English do not want regions. Nor does Scotland. 60% plus of the English electorate want an English Parliament but the Unionist parties refuse to hold a referendum.

Posted by Ian Campbell on January 14, 2008 10:27 AM

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Scotland. Not taking quite as much from England as one of the poorest regions of the UK. Well done!
Posted by Alan Connock on January 14, 2008 8:26 AM

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Alan, why are you comparing Scottish *national* spending with English *regional" spending? The programme was talking about national spending, not regional. England is a country, not a collection of regions. The figures for public spending for each of the four home nations are available from the Treasury which, despite being run by one of your fellow Scots for the last 11 years, have never been able to be massaged to hide the fact that per capita public spending in Scotland as a nation is much higher than public spending in England as a nation and exceeds the amount of tax Scots pay. And don't get started on North Sea Oil and Gas because the British government handing over English territorial waters to Scotland without asking the English if this was ok merits an entire article to itself.
Posted by Stuart Parr on January 14, 2008 6:57 AM

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Alan
"if per capita spending in the English regions is examined, then Scotland comes out just ahead of both the North East and North West of England and actually below the total for London."

England, like Scotland, is a country, not a bunch of British/EU regions.
The country of England subsidises the country of Scotland. Scotland must stand as a country in its own right, not in comparison to an English region.
Free* Scotland! (*with every six English counties - no purchase necessary)
Posted by Colin McSporran on January 14, 2008 1:52 AM[/b]

I feel that many people have already preceived the duplicity of Cochrane's typically Scottish approach to such matters!

Another deception practised by Scots is to insist that Scotland is treated as a nation on a par with England. By such means the vastly greater number of voters in England are excluded from so called 'Scottish matters' regardless of any effect on England and its people! The irony is, of course, the refusal of Scots in positions of power over Britain (ie England) wilfully deny England its status as a nation in its own right!

SilverFalcon · 17-01-2008, 11:31 AM

Wow

Cllr Jeremy Zeid

from Cassie's Telegraph posts below:

More like him, with equally colourful language, and it would be ta-ta to tyranny. What party does he advocate?

Populist Lee · 17-01-2008, 11:46 AM

A Conservative on the Borough of Harrow.

SponPlague · 17-01-2008, 01:14 PM

It is pointless comparing London with Edinburgh, under the current set-up: London, as a region, has MEPs, Scotland, as a region, has MEPs, Edinburgh isnae and disnae.

I don't like it - English regions - (I'm Edinburgh born and bred, btw) - but that is how he legitimately can compare Scotland with London. It is also why, as in my original post, the ED mayoral candidate will be a sitting duck for all the other candidates to attack!

SponPlague · 17-01-2008, 01:16 PM

I would also suggest writing, Cassie: Most of the Telegraph's readers will not read it online - or if they do, like me, not bother with the follow up comments, and rely on the letters page for accuracy complaints - am I wrong in that assumption?

cassie · 17-01-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

I would also suggest writing, Cassie: Most of the Telegraph's readers will not read it online - or if they do, like me, not bother with the follow up comments, and rely on the letters page for accuracy complaints - am I wrong in that assumption?

I suspect you are correct in your assessment.

You don't seem moved yourself to write? In fact, you may well compose a much better letter than I! How about it then?

cassie · 17-01-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

It is pointless comparing London with Edinburgh, under the current set-up: London, as a region, has MEPs, Scotland, as a region, has MEPs, Edinburgh isnae and disnae. [Good point! Your superior Scottish education is shining through! ]

I don't like it - English regions - (I'm Edinburgh born and bred, btw) - but that is how he legitimately can compare Scotland with London. It is also why, as in my original post, the ED mayoral candidate will be a sitting duck for all the other candidates to attack!

B****r me! Here I was thinking you were a Swiss roll too!

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arden forester · 17-01-2008, 11:43 PM

Swiss rolls? I'm still wanting to know why Garry Bushell was put forward on a Saturday only to say on the Thursday he had too much other work on!!

Any clues? Or am I just being nosey?

Bluemerle · 18-01-2008, 12:36 PM

I believe he works for the BBC. He won't risk his job.

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17-01-2008, 08:35 AM	#31 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,003	Why not write the DT and tell him, and the many more readers than on this forum, why he's wrong?

17-01-2008, 11:31 AM	#33 (permalink)
SilverFalcon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,019	Wow Cllr Jeremy Zeid from Cassie's Telegraph posts below: More like him, with equally colourful language, and it would be ta-ta to tyranny. What party does he advocate?

17-01-2008, 01:14 PM	#35 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,003	It is pointless comparing London with Edinburgh, under the current set-up: London, as a region, has MEPs, Scotland, as a region, has MEPs, Edinburgh isnae and disnae. I don't like it - English regions - (I'm Edinburgh born and bred, btw) - but that is how he legitimately can compare Scotland with London. It is also why, as in my original post, the ED mayoral candidate will be a sitting duck for all the other candidates to attack!

17-01-2008, 01:16 PM	#36 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,003	I would also suggest writing, Cassie: Most of the Telegraph's readers will not read it online - or if they do, like me, not bother with the follow up comments, and rely on the letters page for accuracy complaints - am I wrong in that assumption?

18-01-2008, 12:36 PM	#40 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	I believe he works for the BBC. He won't risk his job.