Westcountryman

Oh so that was the dirty deal was it? Personally, I wouldn't miss the ED section if it suddenly 'disappeared'.

BTW, where's your colleague Mr. Constantine these days?

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cassie

My advice is to take all this with a pinch of salt! We only have Steven Uncles' word for what he alleges to be the EDP's position, and his word is NOT to be trusted.

(1) No 'official' details of what transpired at the AGM in September have ever been posted online.

(2) No 'official' record is kept of the EDP's AGMs.

(3) No one is able to cite any published part of the EDP's manifesto in support of the claims made here. Indeed, it is by no means clear whether the EDP's online manifesto is the most up to date quite simply because there is no record of each edition!

(4) Uncles resorts to the well known tactic of misrepresenting others' positions in order to make a bogus point! Where has it been argued that 'the Union must be preserved at all costs to England'?

Who really cares about his 'personal position' ~ the wet egotist!

Britannist

I am not doubting what you write, Smidgey. But may I ask you please what the Conservatives get out of a minority Scottish 'National' Party (SNP) administration that they would not get from a Labour one (in the Scottish Parliament)?

Britannist

Very true. But if I were a Conservative in Scotland I would be aware of two facts:

1. The europhile Scottish 'National' Party (SNP) seek to break up the UK - something which Labour does not (although it appears to be making some considerable effort to bring that about).

2. Labour - unlike the SNP - allows eurosceptics and anti-EU people to be members and hold some positions. The Glasgow Labour MP Ian Davidson is head of the Labour Group Against The EU Superstate.

I would not wish to deal with the obsessively pro-EU, pro-euro and anti-UK SNP. Labour - although dreadful - are not quite as bad as the SNP in my view.

Britannist

Good.

Someone should have stopped First Minister Salmond (leader of the europhile Scottish so-called 'National' Party) from changing the name of the Scottish Executive to the Scottish Government. Apart from the fact that he is trying to set up a rival Government to Westminster in Edinburgh - there is the needless cost to the taxpayer of re-printing all forms, documents and literature with the words "Scottish Government " on them.

reg

The EDP are not coming clean on there policy and there spokespesons come on here making things up as they go along.I wouldnt trust any of the EDP.Kentishman seems very misleading with his statements

Britannist

Kentishman: I watched that long two-hour interview you were a part of on the internet political 'television' channel '18 Doughty Street' earlier this year (an interview hosted by former Conservative candidate Mr. Iain Dale).

I remember you saying (in that interview you took part in along with an MP from the europhile Scottish so-called 'National' Party) that you thought that the UK was "a dying Union".

So, presumably Kentishman, you will regard the Federal UK you refer to (above quote) as a temporary situation which would exist only until what you called "the dying Union" of the UK were gone?

Britannist

I agree with the above - I am a supporter of the Union of the UK and believe that if the nation and people of England are not given equality within the UK with Scotland then support in England for the Union of the UK is going to fall substantially. We are already in a situation where flag shops in Scotland are selling very few UK flags (Union Jack flags) and I think most flags sold by flag shops in England will be English and not UK flags.

England must have a national legislature of her own to match the one the nation and people of Scotland have had within the Union of the UK since 1999.

England must also be given the full constitutional and legal status of a nation within the UK. The campaign by the EU and the anti-English Labour Party to ignore England and avoid using the word England would be challenged and brought to an end by an English Parliament (or what would amount to an English Parliament - i.e. a House of Commons in which only English constituency MPs vote on specifically English matters).

Smidgey

They have been able to get through a lot of law and order policies that they have in common. The policies of both parties in this field are almost identical. So in a sense the Conservatives are just using them to get what they want, then they (along with the two other unionist parties) will veto any independence referendum. Although, so far, on the independence issue, they have not been effective - even when all three team up against the SNP. For example, Salmond recently started a constitutional conversation, the other three parties refused to take part and decided to make their own conversation. As a result, a conversation was made and the media lapped it up.

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Britannist

Thank you for your reply, Smidgey.

The Conservatives in Scotland could win back some constituencies they have lost in Scotland if they adopted a policy strongly opposed to the EU Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) which has caused such damage to places like Peterhead.

William Hague MP, Iain Duncan-Smith MP and Michael Howard MP (all, of course, former leaders of the Conservative Party) all supported the Conservative policy of taking the UK out of the CFP - but David Cameron ditched the popular CFP withdrawal policy without debate or explanation. A leading figure in the Conservative Party of Scotland resigned his post over the decision of David Cameron.