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Nick Clegg: Abolish England Into Regions, Don't Give The People Any Say In The Matter...
Heavens, can't politicians waffle? Here's Nick Clegg during a BBC question and answer session:

Q: Do you support the establishment of an English Parliament, or at least sessions of the English Parliament to sit at Westminster without MPs from the other British nations. If not - please explain what you mean by federalism. Doug , Edinburgh

A: There is a real anomaly in the way Scottish MPs vote on English matters - but it is only one of countless anomalies in our electoral system, and they all need to be addressed together as part of a new constitutional settlement. Focusing on the West Lothian issue alone just plays into the hands of people who want to break up the United Kingdom.



The real English Question is in a sense the same as the Scottish Question or the Welsh Question - it’s about breaking down an overbearing, over-controlling central state and returning power to local communities and to individuals. I don’t think that English people primarily see this as a question of exact symmetry - the question is one of democratic control. The answer isn’t to try and divide MPs into sheep and goats and risk creating problems whereby one party is in government, but doesn’t have a majority for English affairs. We need to move beyond this sterile debate and look to devolve power within England, and continue the push for a whole new constitutional settlement. Remember - every decision not taken in Whitehall is a decision where the West Lothian Question doesn’t apply.

Mr Clegg basically wants England broken up into regions and abolished. He is not interested in noting the results of recent polls, including one on the BBC itself, which indicate that around 61 to 67 per cent of the English want a national parliament. He is happy to put words into the mouths of the English electorate and ride roughshod over them.

That's a slightly rough but absolutely accurate translation of Mr Clegg's reams of waffle.

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reg

I am not a lib dem supporter.I do however think the above post is a bit unfair and misleading of the facts.

cassie

Mr Clegg is one of those misleadng people who, to all intents and purposes, appears to be quintessentially English. He is also very plausible.

However, his mother is Dutch and his father's mother is Russian ~ apparently a Russian countess who scarpered to Blighty when the communists were taking over. No doubt his grandma's background and accompanying wealth and privilege partially accounts for 'man o' the people' Clegg's better than yer average start to life.

His speech is littered with 'Britain' and 'British' and rarely 'England' and 'English'. In common with Cameron and Broon, he does not regard himself as English and seeks to impose 'European' (ie EU) conditions on England and its people.

He's another contemporary politician who is shallow, expedient and, as far I'm concerned, very unsympathetic to England and its people (ie 84% of the UK) and, therefore, unrepresentative! Hey! What's new?

I wouldn't want him if he were served up on buttered toast.

The only other alternative the Dim Libs came up with, keeps his origins secret! [Check for yourself on the Dim Lib website (and his), where NO details of his parentage are to be discovered!] However, I understand that his parents were (are?) Germans who found it expedient to move to England in 1945. I also understand that his father was a supporter of the regime there from 1933-45!

Some choice! Typical of how political parties have corrupted and distorted our politics. With hand-outs from the Exchequer, they will be able to ignore voters even more. No, they won't have to recruit members to increase their income via subscriptions. They won't even need local help because they will buy it. Best of all, they even need to appear to listen to voters to determine policy . . . it will be even more 'take it, or leave it'!


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Britannist

Well, we know that the obsessively pro-EU Liberal Dim Party are not going to support equality for England with Scotland within the UK. The last thing the Liberal Dims want is an all-England legislature which gives a voice to the overwhelmingly eurosceptic English people. The europhile Dim Libs want to see the break up of England into 'regions' based on boundaries drawn up by the EU (something which would weaken England as the EU requires). While the deceitful Liberal Dims try to give the impression to English voters that they are on the side of England - the very last thing that party will support is fair treatment for the people of England in the UK and an English legislature to match devolution in Scotland.

Britannist

His wife (allegedly) is Spanish and he (allegedly) used to work in Brussels for the committed europhile 'Conservative' Sir Leon Brittan when Brittan was an EU Commissioner.

Independent UKIP

I don't know anything about his wife but have no objection if she is Spanish. Brittan was shown in a recording on TV today confirming the alleged as fact and stated he (Brittan) tried unsuccessfully to get Clegg to join the tories.

Britannist

Just as well - the last thing we want is the Conservative Party taking on even more europhiles. We need the Conservative Party to support our campaign to get a retrospective referendum on the EU Constitution (i.e. EU 'Amending' Treaty). And the europhile impostors in the Conservative Party are going to try to stop the Conservatives formally committing to holding an EU Constitution referendum.

rjt

Given Cleggs background oine can see why ken Clarke favours a coalition with the Lib Dems.

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SilverFalcon

In that case may his dear political soul roast in peace.

cassie

Yes, his wife is Spanish and, reportedly, has a successful career as a lawyer. Nowt wrong with that but, as I have said on numerous occasions, it is a matter of attitude!

I have known Indians who are more English in their outlook and preferences than Cleggie! As far as I am concerned, his origins go some way to explaining his attitudes. Funny how Huhne, with a very similar course in life (perhaps slightly less time spent as the professional politician) and outlook, feels the need to cloak his origins.

Cameron is another example. Born in England of paternal Scottish ancestry. So what does his leadership campaign team do? Emphasise his maternal political connections, whilst playing down his Aberdeenshire origins. His attitude? "Mr Cameron is English, but he likes to think of himself as British."

Against a background of being sidelined and discriminated against, it is logical for any concerned English person to question why, effectively, we are so under represented in the British Parliament. Judged by the numerous unrepresentative candidates they select, the Brit parties have much to answer for!!

Even this morning, Cleggie was batting on about adopting a Dutch model in an aspect of our affairs which I did not catch (Education I think) . . . no surprises here then.


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