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Old 08-01-2008, 12:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It's a sad thing that some people have so lost all pride and self respect for themselves as English or British people that the statement ''a reasonable line should be drawn'' should invoke images of fascism and extremism.
I suppose bend over backwards for others in the sad belief that it is 'the right thing to do' is probably more to the liking of some but i would have thought most people can do better than that if they try.
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It's a sad thing that some people have so lost all pride and self respect for themselves as English or British people that the statement ''a reasonable line should be drawn'' should invoke images of fascism and extremism.
I suppose bend over backwards for others in the sad belief that it is 'the right thing to do' is probably more to the liking of some but i would have thought most people can do better than that if they try.
Just because people don't accept your view doesn't mean they have no pride or self respect.
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It's a sad thing that some people have so lost all pride and self respect for themselves as English or British people that the statement ''a reasonable line should be drawn'' should invoke images of fascism and extremism.
I suppose bend over backwards for others in the sad belief that it is 'the right thing to do' is probably more to the liking of some but i would have thought most people can do better than that if they try.
The fact you want to use the force of legislation to protect what you consider to be English heritage/identity etc (which, in my mind, would be virtually impossible - it's far too tangible) suggests to be that you are not a freedom-loving Englishman, but some sort of fascist.

This isn't Communist Russia, this is liberty-loving England. Or at least it used to be.
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This isn't Communist Russia, this is liberty-loving England. Or at least it used to be.

It used to be! Now it is undemocratic and dictated to by Scottish and other minorities, and regulated in the extreme!

You can't say this, and you can't say that . . . if you are white and English, but others can! We have been disarmed, but are not allowed to defend ourselves or our property.

Currently, blacks are mainly killing each other even for trivial things such as giving a black look ['Black'? wash yo' mout out!].

Eventually, they'll start on the whites in earnest, but the question is whether it will be before they've finished with the asians or after.

Here's an account of an aspect of liberty-loving England: The Fallen List



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A reasonable line should be drawn, and again a reasonable line should be drawn and once more....
I think that anyone who agrees with that statement is now branded a fascist according to some .

I wonder what solutions would be chosen by those who will not accept being reasonable. Who will not accept that their comments are insulting and unreasonable.

If you don't want to be reasonable then i don't have anything to say to you.

What does a policeman do when he/she stops antisocial behaviour ???
Is that wrong???
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A reasonable line should be drawn, and again a reasonable line should be drawn and once more....
I think that anyone who agrees with that statement is now branded a fascist according to some .

I wonder what solutions would be chosen by those who will not accept being reasonable. Who will not accept that their comments are insulting and unreasonable.

If you don't want to be reasonable then i don't have anything to say to you.

What does a policeman do when he/she stops antisocial behaviour ???
Is that wrong???
I didn't realise that those who didn't buy into your definition of culture were threatening the rights of others!
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First there is those who can't see the need for anything, who accept anything even anti English propaganda which is so blatant anyone could see it
then there are those who would refuse to accept that a person, an English person has a right to have a view on their own culture.
Of course i do.
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Old 16-01-2008, 11:50 AM   #18 (permalink)
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And my view on my English heritage is errr....
Well it's whatever it is ,,,,, and i'll fight for the right to be ,,,,,as wooly minded and sentimental and uncritical about English culture as i want.
And anyone who doesn't agree is obviously an arsehole........That England is just brilliant and anyone who wants to **** on it is out of order.
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Tony Linsell | What England means to me

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For the poster who remarked on freedom in this country, take a look at this -

http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/polin/polin154.pdf
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Tony Linsell | What England means to me

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For the poster who remarked on freedom in this country, take a look at this -

http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/polin/polin154.pdf
In this so called democratic country of ours, I have encountered similar treatment when one runs foul of organisations/bodies! First one is attacked. Second one is denied opportunity to reply to the attacks!

The whole basis of habeas corpus is proper, formal indictment and the right of reply. It is no coincidence that we are confronted with a political class which minimises the involvement of ordinary voters in decision making, as demonstrated by the persistent refusal to hold referenda which are essentially a method of ascertaining collective opinion to better inform Parliament (where power remains). This political class has systematically diminished our rights - in particular habeas corpus - under the guise of so called 'human rights'. Once again, increase in the length of detention without trial - already the highest in Europe - is being sought by government.

I've encountered Mr Henderson online. Unfortunately, at times he seems somewhat obsessive, but I'm afraid that one runs that risk if one is not to cave in to unfair treatment. Indeed, it is that quality of persitence and determination which is so lacking in England today!

One of the things that Robert drew to my attention was the fiddle going on in the so called Dept of Culture about symbols or icons of 'Britishness' in the campaign it ran. [Mis-ran, more like!] The Notting Hill Carnival - to my mind a foreign imposition - was misrepresented as having support it did not have, whilst opposition to it was discounted! The reverse treatment was accorded to such things as cricket. Mr Henderson was correct about these things, and could prove it!


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