Englishman

The news article 'Cleansing of England' on the EDP website is a great article addressing the ethnic English.
Sadly let down a little at the end with their slogan "Putting England first!" which sadly is that all-inclusive let down.

I wish this party would just put the ethnic English first! with a sympathetic/suportive ear for the civic English,
instead of focusing the majorety of their time and effort and purpose on the civic English.

This would be a better step forward, in my view, which is based on my expereance of dealing with the public in my City concerning Englishness.

arden forester

I'm not sure who the "Ethnic English" are exactly, but I would not want to have to go through some kind of test, whether medical or physical, to find out. Most people know they are English by culture and background. As with a lot of people in this country, I have ancestors who came from elsewhere. But being white and public-school educated, I pass for an average Englishman of sorts, so my Danish and Spanish forebears don't rock my vibes too much.

Nick Clegg, one of the Libdem contenders, strikes me as being English, but he is almost completely non-English in background. Not very ethnically correct there.

The EDP is right to speak up for those who live in England and for their rights, so abysmally abused by the New Labour Fright Regime! We need a proper debate on immigration and not shy away from details and facts. Another prim and proper type appeared on BBC News24 last night, seemingly satisfied if the population rose to 100 million.

We need to engage with these mental types and ask questions. Otherwise we could all sink under an imploding economy, with the fatcats and fiddlers drifting off to pastures new!

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cassie

I was born in England, grew up in England and lived in (various parts of) England all my life.

During my lifetime, millions of foreigners not born in England have come here and demanded a whole range of rights and privileges. One of the consequences is that I am now expected ~ nay on many occasions, required ~ to account for myself in ways which were unnecessary fifty or even forty years ago.

Apart from the fact that I really object to being reduced to a fourth class citizen in my own land, it seems to me that most of those who do not regard themselves as ethnic English, whether born here or came here of their own volition for their own purposes, have already largely identified themselves in the hope and expectation of receiving better treatment.

Perhaps this is a starting point, and the problem is not as difficult as might be imagined, quite simply because the vast pre-ponderance of non-English individuals have been all too ready to identify themselves as being anything other than English?


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Englishman

To find out whether you are Ethnic English by law, just try filling in page 10 from the Test Census 2007 below,
baring in mind this will be the Census form that will be issued at the next Census,
Yes this government, due to pressure and campaigning by the Ethnic English are actualy reckognising the Ethnic English, like it or not.

'Test Census 2007 - page 10'

Question 12 - WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR NATIONALITY TO BE?

English
Welsh
Scottish
Northern Irish
British
Irish
Other, write in

Question 13 - WHAT IS YOUR ETHNIC GROUP?

A - WHITE

English
Other British
Irish
Any other white background, write in

B - MIXED

White and Black Caribbean
White and Black African
White and Asian
Any other Mixed bacground, write in

C - ASIAN OR ASIAN BRITISH

Indian
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Any other Black background, write in

D - BLACK OR BLACK BRITISH

Caribbean
African
Any other Black background, write in

E - OTHER ETHNIC GROUP

Arab
Gypsy/Romany/Irish Traveller
Any other, write in

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Here is some more info, for those who are confused at what being ethincally English means...

The Courts have set out the following test for membership of a racial group for purposes of the Race Relations Act –

a) you have a reasonable belief that you are a member of the group; and

b) other members of the group accept as a member.

It is possible to be a 100% member of an ethnic or nation racial group if one is not also a member of another similar racial group by virtue of the application of the tests at (a) and (b) above.

The English are also an ethnic group for ethnic monitoring purposes. The Office of National Statistics use the following definition for an ethnic group as set out by the House of Lords.

“An ethnic group has a distinct identity, based on recognising a long shared history and having distinct cultural traditions, which may be related to one of the following chrematistics:

- Ancestry

- Geographical origin

- Nationality

- Country of birth

- Cultural traditions

- Religion

- Language

In his summing up of a court case involving claims of discrimination by BBC Scotland against an English journalist (BBC versus Souster), Lord Cameron of Lochbroom stated that:

“a racial group may be defined by reference to it’s communal origins and traditions, which may be either “national or “ethnic”…I observe words such as English..are used in common parlance both as nouns and as adjectives in what can only be described as a racial sense…Thus to speak of…“the English” is to denominate a group having a particular historical identity in terms of their origins”

One expert on the Race Relations Act uses the following as a non-legalistic definition of what it is to be ethnically English –

“The English gave their name to England and have lived in it ever since. People who have since come to England , and merged into the English population, and are indistinguishable from the English, and claim no identity other than English, and are accepted by the English as being one of their own, are English”
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There ya go, if you still don't know who you are now, then maybe you are having an indentity crisis ? :-)

arden forester

Well, if that was directed at me, I'm certainly not having an identity crisis. Never had one either.

The non-legalistic definition seems to sum it up quite well.

Question 12 of the Census is a bit daft. It's the sort of question that's been vetted to see if anyone could be offended. By using the word nationality they have got themselves muddled. The only nationality on offer is British at the moment. National identity is what they really mean, but they don't want to say so.

Until Question 13 came along I don't suppose many English people ever saw themselves as being an ethnic group. However, I imagine all those living in Spain could be an ethnic English group under EU definition. Sounds all so un-English, don't you know!

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