Thread: What England Means To Me

Many English people have probably despaired about the way things have been handled over the last few years. Thousands of us feel betrayed by Labour, misled by the Liberal Democrats and confused by the Conservatives, who have all provided very little in the way of good ideas and leadership over the last 10 years.

But the encouraging thing is that England is awaking.

The English Democrats were launched in 2002 at the Imperial College London. Many of the founding members were also members of the non-party political pressure group “Campaign for an English Parliament”. It was increasingly obvious to the founding members of the English Democrats that the Westminster political establishment was not listening to anyone unless they posed an electoral threat to their careers. This was as true of Labour, as of the Conservative party, both of which has spent years denying that England is a nation, or that a national identity and a distinct culture actually exist. For the Conservatives, the UK consists of Wales, Scotland and Britain – which is news to 55 million English people who find themselves without any effective national representation.

Will there always be an England? Don’t bet on it. One of the sinister plans from the Labour Government which remains is to break England into nine European Regions. This plan is not to give England a vote on devolution but to create nine Regional Ministries, nine lots of bureaucracies, new flags, regional identities, nine different offices in Brussels and generally trying to break England into bits.

They are already beavering away changing the structure of local County based police into “Regional” police forces. They are removing local ambulance and fire brigades to the Regions and have even tried to set up Regional Assemblies, despite the fact they are unelected and have been rejected by the people in the North East in 2004.

The Conservatives have been almost silent on the issue of the break up of England – why? Because it was the Conservatives who designed the Regional blueprint. Labour are busily implementing it and the Liberal Democrats support the break-up of England. Here you see England’s dilemma – all three of the main political parties are pro- European, pro-Union and pro- breaking-up of England. One has to ask the question why?

One intriguing insight comes from the Scottish Claim of Right: “We …. Do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberately (the) interests (of the Scottish people) shall be paramount.” This was signed approved by Gordon Brown – Prime Minister, Menzies Campbell - Leader of the Liberal Democrats, Alistair Darling – Chancellor, George Galloway - Respect Party Leader, Charles Kennedy – ex Leader of Liberal Democrats, Michael Martin - Speaker of the Commons and John Reid – ex Home Secretary for England. Scots appear to dominate our political life, either as leaders of all of the three main parties, as funders and as senior figures in policy making.

The English Democrats believe that until the English have a parliament of their own within the UK the English nation is not represented. We consider it is an outrage that Scotland and Wales have been given devolution but the English have not only been left out of any consultation on the issue, but now find themselves “sharing” the UK Parliament with MPs from Scotland and Wales who regularly vote on English only matters when English MPs are barred from voting on Scottish and Welsh matters. We are also furious that since last September, English university students will be the only ones having to pay £3,000 in top up fees, whilst the Scots and Welsh pay nothing – as their national Governments have rejected fees for their students, but their MPs nevertheless used their votes in the UK Parliament to make the English pay!

England must have her own voice and great strides are being made to reinvigorate Englishness through the celebration of St. George’s Day, English culture and history. But we need more people who care about England to join in this enterprise.

England is a great country and we want to see a rejuvenated and liberated democratic England – and I encourage all my countrymen to ensure that there will really always be an England!

Robin Tilbrook is the Chairman of the English Democrats Party.


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Typical **** from the vote spiltting English Democrats/SNP. All Unionist should keep away from this party. It will cost Ukip & BNP votes and cost them seats in elections. The whole island is safer united than divided, this is our strength. How can you trust a party, whos best friend from the other side of the wall, holds pro-Euro & anti-English views ?

The asymmetrical devolution that has been imposed in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland cannot be reversed. It has led to social injustices that will no longer be tolerated by the people of England. English demand for justice has fomented a new and vigorous English Nationalist movement that will not be denied. Scotland’s clamour for independence, supported by the English, is now so strong that some think that it will inevitably lead to the end of Britain as we know it. A liberated England will justifiably demand full fiscal independence and will inevitably pursue policies that have been hitherto confined to the nationalist’s parties of the smaller countries of Britain.

The genie of self-determination has been un-bottled by Labour’s lopsided devolution and is now far too strong to be confined.
The very existence of the EU is increasingly being questioned by a growing number of European wide nationalist parties who are concerned about loss of their nationhood.

Those of the major parties are directly responsible for this dire situation and your continued support for them would only serve to encourage their destructive ambition and further fragment cross border relationships.

Heres to England!

The EDP still want a Union, as do the BNP,
so why don't the EDP members just join the BNP and fight for an English parliament within a federal UK with the BNP? rather than split the vote of the BNP who are now getting Councillors in or putting emence pressure by coming close in lots of Council elections,

I went for a long time as an EDP member against the EDP grain, calling for independence for England, but they have slowly made me consider the importance of the union,
and I also think there are some other issues that should be tackled firmly first which is immigration, the EU, Taxes, the NHS, wages etc
and so I would now rather fight for the BNP, rather than wait for a Unionist party with English in their name for about another 30 odd years or never as the case may be to gain any form of power!

Times running out in Cities like London, Birmingham, Leicester, Bradford and Leeds etc now is not the time to split the vote, its time to unite for the sake of England.
So it is common sense to unite with the only party which is making some decent headway... the BNP.

It seems to me that UKIP members and supporters are unable or, more likely, unwilling, to grasp the fact that the "Union", since devolution, is finished, it is no more, it is kaput, dead, shuffled off this mortal coil. Today, The Rugby team that progressed to the semi-finals was English, did you see the English national Flag being waved about with pride, the faces with the Cross of St. George painted on them. The commentators had to mention "England" and it was good. The BBC choked every time they had to say England, you see there was no way they could call the team Britshitish, that, was exceedingly good.
When the England team sing "Jerusalem" it will be the goodest of all the goods in this good world.
Just off to watch France (singing their anthem with gusto - not me - them)

Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

It seems to me that UKIP members and supporters are unable or, more likely, unwilling, to grasp the fact that the "Union", since devolution, is finished, it is no more, it is kaput, dead, shuffled off this mortal coil. Today, The Rugby team that progressed to the semi-finals was English, did you see the English national Flag being waved about with pride, the faces with the Cross of St. George painted on them. The commentators had to mention "England" and it was good. The BBC choked every time they had to say England, you see there was no way they could call the team Britshitish, that, was exceedingly good.
When the England team sing "Jerusalem" it will be the goodest of all the goods in this good world.
Just off to watch France (singing their anthem with gusto - not me - them)

I totally agree Little Englander!....mind you what a result!

England deserves better than the English Democrats Party which is not truly democratic, nor does it accord long established rights to its members.

It is a counterfeit political party which too many of its members slavishly worship, instead of engaging their brains on something acceptable. They come here posting their inane comments, but hypocritically deny others similar opportunities to post comments on their websites.

Originally Posted by Englander 1

Cassie I trust you had a good time researching in the SW? but what a bitter man you seem to have become, I wish you well for the future but I will not be commenting again on any of your comments I believe enough has been said it is all becoming repetative.

England deserves much, much better than the English Democrats Party which is not truly democratic, nor does it accord long established rights to its members.

It is a counterfeit political party which too many of its members slavishly worship, instead of engaging their brains on something acceptable. They come here posting their inane comments, but hypocritically deny others similar opportunities to post comments on their websites.

Phonies like you Englander 1 prefer to make personal comments rather than address the issues. Worse, you lock out anyone remotely critical from your websites!

Adopting your tactics ~ what a smug and unrepresentative person you have become. You and your associates believe that you are not accountable, but we'll see . . . . If you keep your head buried in the ground with your backside in the air long enough, someone will eventually come along and give you a big kick up yer jacksie!

Everything that England means to me is under threat.

Especially anything ethnically English.

My ethnic culture, history, traditions and people are attacked and are struggling for existence in their home land of England.

England should be my safe haven, my secure peaceful land of hope and glory, which it is at times and has been in the past, but now it faces a huge threat of being culturally and ethnically cleansed, which is taking away its serenity of safeness, peacefulness and is dulling its hope and glory.

England was once my lover’s lane, but is now my battle field, England was once my playground but I’m now in the trenches.

England means I am forced to become a soldier, a warrior; I’m part of an infantry battling to defend my people and land.

I want my children to see England through my infant eyes, where this land was safer, its skyline pure, its people familiar, and its atmosphere harmonious and confident.

What England means to me may seem negative to all,

But I can only offer you what England means to me and that is honesty and truth.

In all honesty, is fighting for England’s people negative? Truthfully, is defending England’s people negative?

This land brings out that fighting spirit in those who are the English!

Especially when our backs are against the wall such as in these times.

I know we will prevail, I know I cannot fail, as I have two English children to love and care for and to pass onto them my England in the best condition that I can,

I have a partner and friends who I wish to enhance this land for,

And though I may cry, I may fail at times, I may struggle, I may run out of steam,

I will always know what England mainly means to me,

I love her as I love my kith and kin.

Lee Ingram,
Supporter and voluntery worker of the Steadfast Trust.
Leicester.

Does any one think this should go on the 'What England means to me' website?

Originally Posted by Englander 1

Many English people have probably despaired about the way things have been handled over the last few years. Thousands of us feel betrayed by Labour, misled by the Liberal Democrats and confused by the Conservatives, who have all provided very little in the way of good ideas and leadership over the last 10 years.

But the encouraging thing is that England is awaking.

The English Democrats were launched in 2002 at the Imperial College London. Many of the founding members were also members of the non-party political pressure group “Campaign for an English Parliament”. It was increasingly obvious to the founding members of the English Democrats that the Westminster political establishment was not listening to anyone unless they posed an electoral threat to their careers. This was as true of Labour, as of the Conservative party, both of which has spent years denying that England is a nation, or that a national identity and a distinct culture actually exist. For the Conservatives, the UK consists of Wales, Scotland and Britain – which is news to 55 million English people who find themselves without any effective national representation.

Will there always be an England? Don’t bet on it. One of the sinister plans from the Labour Government which remains is to break England into nine European Regions. This plan is not to give England a vote on devolution but to create nine Regional Ministries, nine lots of bureaucracies, new flags, regional identities, nine different offices in Brussels and generally trying to break England into bits.

They are already beavering away changing the structure of local County based police into “Regional” police forces. They are removing local ambulance and fire brigades to the Regions and have even tried to set up Regional Assemblies, despite the fact they are unelected and have been rejected by the people in the North East in 2004.

The Conservatives have been almost silent on the issue of the break up of England – why? Because it was the Conservatives who designed the Regional blueprint. Labour are busily implementing it and the Liberal Democrats support the break-up of England. Here you see England’s dilemma – all three of the main political parties are pro- European, pro-Union and pro- breaking-up of England. One has to ask the question why?

One intriguing insight comes from the Scottish Claim of Right: “We …. Do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberately (the) interests (of the Scottish people) shall be paramount.” This was signed approved by Gordon Brown – Prime Minister, Menzies Campbell - Leader of the Liberal Democrats, Alistair Darling – Chancellor, George Galloway - Respect Party Leader, Charles Kennedy – ex Leader of Liberal Democrats, Michael Martin - Speaker of the Commons and John Reid – ex Home Secretary for England. Scots appear to dominate our political life, either as leaders of all of the three main parties, as funders and as senior figures in policy making.

The English Democrats believe that until the English have a parliament of their own within the UK the English nation is not represented. We consider it is an outrage that Scotland and Wales have been given devolution but the English have not only been left out of any consultation on the issue, but now find themselves “sharing” the UK Parliament with MPs from Scotland and Wales who regularly vote on English only matters when English MPs are barred from voting on Scottish and Welsh matters. We are also furious that since last September, English university students will be the only ones having to pay £3,000 in top up fees, whilst the Scots and Welsh pay nothing – as their national Governments have rejected fees for their students, but their MPs nevertheless used their votes in the UK Parliament to make the English pay!

England must have her own voice and great strides are being made to reinvigorate Englishness through the celebration of St. George’s Day, English culture and history. But we need more people who care about England to join in this enterprise.

England is a great country and we want to see a rejuvenated and liberated democratic England – and I encourage all my countrymen to ensure that there will really always be an England!

Robin Tilbrook is the Chairman of the English Democrats Party.


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What England Means to Me