Decietful Wales kicked out of Rugby World Cup

ANGLO-STAFFS · 01-10-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RTSTN

The British/English people are in danger of heading the same way of the native Jamaicans the Arawaks.

So I really could not careless what team someone cheers on.

Unfortunately more people in this country, (whichever one you want) do care more for which team you support than for the Arawaks. (That is assuming they have heard of them)

arden forester · 02-10-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

If we were one "happy" UK, then don't you think that Scotland and Wales would have voted for England in preference to France ?

Doesn't it occur to you that we can be "one happy UK" but still vote according to our views on excellence, ability and any other point? Or do the Scots and Welsh have to vote in a slavish manner come what may?

Englander 1 · 02-10-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

Doesn't it occur to you that we can be "one happy UK" but still vote according to our views on excellence, ability and any other point? Or do the Scots and Welsh have to vote in a slavish manner come what may?

AF..its fine taking the moral highground but its not the English that have started the break-up of the UK...perhaps your comments would be best posted on certain 'celtic' forums.

Kevin Adamson · 02-10-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

I have and I do not.

We must go to different pubs then,but dont get me wrong I see nothing wrong with hating the "enemy" on the sporting front ,and I enjoy the banter when watching England on forign soil.

arden forester · 03-10-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Englander 1

AF..its fine taking the moral highground but its not the English that have started the break-up of the UK...perhaps your comments would be best posted on certain 'celtic' forums.

That doesn't answer the question! Except to imply that they need to vote for England at all times regardless of thought or common sense prevailing.

It seems a very narrow form of Englishness to me!

Englander 1 · 05-10-2007, 05:38 PM

Everything is crossed (St George fashion) for the game with the Aussies....come on England!

Englander 1 · 05-10-2007, 11:32 PM

Their team are out of the Rugby World Cup and the coach has been sacked, but that will not stop some diehard Welsh fans heading to France this weekend.
A 22-strong group from Pencoed RFC are heading to Marseille's Stade Velodrome.

They had hoped to see Wales play - but instead they will be watching the England v Australia quarter-final on a trip booked four months ago for £350.

Pencoed treasurer Steve Phillips said he felt "sore" after months of build-up.

The trip comes after Fiji caused a major upset by beating Wales 38-34 to reach the south sea islanders' first World Cup quarter-final since 1987.

Someone was talking about getting T-shirts made with 'Welsh Fijians' printed on the back

Steve Phillips, Pencoed RFC

"We were so looking forward to it, but everything was lost," said Mr Phillips, aged 58.

Despite their disappointment, the Pencoed group enjoyed a hearty breakfast at the club before a coach ride to Birmingham for a flight to Paris.

They will then catch another plane to Marseille, where they expect to arrive there by early evening.

Mr Phillips said they had decided against travelling to Nantes to see Wales play Fiji last weekend and opted instead for the quarter-final.

He has seen Wales win in every country except Italy and said that most members of the group had been on British Lions' tours at different times.

But the one predicament the group now faced was who to support: Fiji, Australia or South Africa? But, he admitted, it won't be England.

......No change there then!
_________________
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other.
That word is ENGLAND." - Sir Winston Churchill

Smidgey · 06-10-2007, 03:19 PM

France gave Scotland and Wales the best deal, so they voted for that. If England had matched that deal I'm sure they would have gotten the vote instead. The Rugby officials of these nations are hardly going to sacrifice their own interest for anothers interest.

I am getting the impression from Kentishman that sporting bodies are only allowed to act in self interest if it is in the self interest of English rugby...

These nations have thier own interests to look after, first and foremost.

SuperiorSteve · 07-10-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

France gave Scotland and Wales the best deal, so they voted for that. If England had matched that deal I'm sure they would have gotten the vote instead. The Rugby officials of these nations are hardly going to sacrifice their own interest for anothers interest.

I am getting the impression from Kentishman that sporting bodies are only allowed to act in self interest if it is in the self interest of English rugby...

These nations have thier own interests to look after, first and foremost.

They should've looked at it as in Britains interest. They acted against England, the Country (that doesn't exist) that subsidises them. Maybe we should ask our Government to stop subsidising Wales and Scotland now to teach them a lesson. I'm sure France would not be stupid enough take over and subsidise them instead.

As someone said on this forum, Scotland, and indeed Wales, can punch above their weight because they are part of the UK. If they use every opportunity to fight against us maybe we should kick them out, using our money to support Northern Ireland, as troops are leaving Northern Ireland those who were relying on the Military economy would need support anyway. Plus they have proved their loyalty, some paying the ultimate price.

When we win the World Cup it'll bring more money into the UK, most of which Wales and Scotland (referred to hereafter as traitors) would get (due to subsidies). Maybe the traitors were trying to get friendly with the French so when they become 'independent within the EU' the French would help to keep CAP so they (traitors) don't go completely broke when the UK is fully dissolved. Bloody traitors everywhere. You can't trust anyone now!

Smidgey · 07-10-2007, 04:20 PM

I think it is rather naive for you to say that Wales and Scotland did this for political reasons.

Firstly, the games played in Wales and Scotland would generate more interest and money for Welsh and Scottish rugby than an entire cup played in England would.

Secondly, concerning subsidies, the majority of the money would not go to Scotland or Wales, perhaps more than their fair share might, but the majority certainly would not. Are you seriously claiming that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland take more than 50% of the UK treasury?

I find it interesting how you call them traitors, I didn't realise the Rugby bodies of Scotland and Wales owed their allegiance to the English Rugby. In case you have forgotten, these nations compete on their own, not as the UK.

Three games played in Cardiff would create more money for WELSH RUGBY than twenty odd games played throughout England. The rugby organisations of Wales and Scotland are not concerned about whether or not their countries get subsidies, they are concerned about whether or not they will generate money and interest to keep their sport as important as it currently is.

France offered the best deal, end of. Trying to conflate this into some sort of EU/seperatist conspiracy is really clutching at straws.

P.S. If you are really concerned about the interests of Britain (which, after reading your post I don't believe you are) then why on earth would you want England to 'throw out' (as if England has some sort of monopoly on who is a member of the UK) those member nations?

05-10-2007, 11:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
Englander 1 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WARWICKSHIRE Posts: 390 Party: English Democrats	Sore Rugby Fans Marseille Trip Their team are out of the Rugby World Cup and the coach has been sacked, but that will not stop some diehard Welsh fans heading to France this weekend. A 22-strong group from Pencoed RFC are heading to Marseille's Stade Velodrome. They had hoped to see Wales play - but instead they will be watching the England v Australia quarter-final on a trip booked four months ago for £350. Pencoed treasurer Steve Phillips said he felt "sore" after months of build-up. The trip comes after Fiji caused a major upset by beating Wales 38-34 to reach the south sea islanders' first World Cup quarter-final since 1987. Someone was talking about getting T-shirts made with 'Welsh Fijians' printed on the back Steve Phillips, Pencoed RFC "We were so looking forward to it, but everything was lost," said Mr Phillips, aged 58. Despite their disappointment, the Pencoed group enjoyed a hearty breakfast at the club before a coach ride to Birmingham for a flight to Paris. They will then catch another plane to Marseille, where they expect to arrive there by early evening. Mr Phillips said they had decided against travelling to Nantes to see Wales play Fiji last weekend and opted instead for the quarter-final. He has seen Wales win in every country except Italy and said that most members of the group had been on British Lions' tours at different times. But the one predicament the group now faced was who to support: Fiji, Australia or South Africa? But, he admitted, it won't be England. ......No change there then! _________________ "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." - Sir Winston Churchill

07-10-2007, 04:20 PM	#30 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,195 Party: Libertarian Party	I think it is rather naive for you to say that Wales and Scotland did this for political reasons. Firstly, the games played in Wales and Scotland would generate more interest and money for Welsh and Scottish rugby than an entire cup played in England would. Secondly, concerning subsidies, the majority of the money would not go to Scotland or Wales, perhaps more than their fair share might, but the majority certainly would not. Are you seriously claiming that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland take more than 50% of the UK treasury? I find it interesting how you call them traitors, I didn't realise the Rugby bodies of Scotland and Wales owed their allegiance to the English Rugby. In case you have forgotten, these nations compete on their own, not as the UK. Three games played in Cardiff would create more money for WELSH RUGBY than twenty odd games played throughout England. The rugby organisations of Wales and Scotland are not concerned about whether or not their countries get subsidies, they are concerned about whether or not they will generate money and interest to keep their sport as important as it currently is. France offered the best deal, end of. Trying to conflate this into some sort of EU/seperatist conspiracy is really clutching at straws. P.S. If you are really concerned about the interests of Britain (which, after reading your post I don't believe you are) then why on earth would you want England to 'throw out' (as if England has some sort of monopoly on who is a member of the UK) those member nations? Last edited by Smidgey; 07-10-2007 at 04:27 PM.

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05-10-2007, 05:38 PM	#26 (permalink)
Englander 1 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: WARWICKSHIRE Posts: 390 Party: English Democrats	Everything is crossed (St George fashion) for the game with the Aussies....come on England!

06-10-2007, 03:19 PM	#28 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,195 Party: Libertarian Party	France gave Scotland and Wales the best deal, so they voted for that. If England had matched that deal I'm sure they would have gotten the vote instead. The Rugby officials of these nations are hardly going to sacrifice their own interest for anothers interest. I am getting the impression from Kentishman that sporting bodies are only allowed to act in self interest if it is in the self interest of English rugby... These nations have thier own interests to look after, first and foremost.