Johnny Hates Jazz

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Robin Tilbrook welcomes Angus McNeil - SNP - MP to the English Conference.

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English Democrats SAY NO To European Union

English not British not European
- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections

cassie

Very touching, isn't it?

So, when is Alex Salmond going to welcome Robin Tilbrook to the SNP's "Scottish Conference"? Not this year, I'll warrant . . . . if ever!

It's the usual one way traffic ~ the English give, and the Scots take!

Now go on, do your usual stuff and attack me for daring to express such thoughts!

Here's another angle on this EDP/SNP togetherness:

Scotsman.com News - Education - Salmond warned on lecture hall discrimination

Yes, when we get down to the real issues, the SNP are no friends of the English ~ the EDP mebbe, but NOT the English!

They don't even want the thirty eight million voters in England to be able to express a collective opinion about independence for Scotland, even though that would undoubtedly affect us! On no! As per usual, this must be left to less than four million voters (at most) in Scotland to decide, because the English would give an unwelcome opinion! Touchy Scots wouldn't like the English to give overwhelming support for Scotland to shove off, if that's what they want!

Now come on you EDP wallahs, show you true colours yet again, and attack me instead of the issues, because you're not up to the job!

ANGLO-STAFFS

I was with you until the last sentence. You complain about personal attacks and then invite them.

I have seem many posts on this forum praising referenda, I think we should have a binding, UK wide, one asking if people want to continue the union.

Johnny Hates Jazz

Debates and Differences Shared


Robust debates were heard regarding a case for demanding Independence for England from the Union, (which at this time is not English Democrat policy,) but, nevertheless is a position shared by increasing numbers of English Nationalists who are concerned that the Unionist Government has no intention of addressing the West Lothian Question or the English Democratic Deficit.

Presentations in support of this motion were well prepared, but defeated by both conference and the National Council of the English Democrats – however, this issue will persist until the British Government gives way to English demands for fairness regarding devolution and an English political executive.

The English Democrats celebrated their fifth anniversary, being formed in 2002, and have, since their launch, contested European Elections, General Elections and Council Elections and a number of by-elections, achieving in the last elections an average of 13% of the votes cast where the EDP stood.

The EDP have unanimously supported Garry Bushell to stand as their London Mayoral Candidate and intend to contest the European Elections in 2009, where the party expect to Field candidates in every European designated “region”.

The English Democrats will be one of the few political parties this conference season to offer the hand of co-operation and friendship to political adversaries in a spirit of respect and conciliation, with the expectation that proportional representation will become the political mode of operation for the future, where co-operation not conflict will be the way forward. Certainly the English Democrats intend to support the efforts of the SNP to deliver a referendum to Scotland on the question of independence to allow the Scottish people to have they say and to continue to work towards cordial and constructive relations as Scotland moves towards a more independent relationship from England.

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English Democrats SAY NO To European Union

English not British not European
- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections

cassie

Ever heard of irony?

You've missed the point, as per . . . but you are not the only one here, witness the obfuscation immediately above!

Campaigning for such a referendum (dissolving the Union) is divisive! Campaigning for what, in effect, is democracy should not be! Those who oppose referenda are usually fearful of the outcome, so they try to avoid asking the question. Self absorbed Scots exclude England from participating in any referenda about them. In effect, Scots govern England and, until there is a swell of widespread opinion in England demanding a say in important constitutional issues, voters in England are unlikely to get say ~ as a nation ~ on anything!

ANGLO-STAFFS

[quote=cassie;426843]

You've missed the point, as per . . .

Campaigning for such a referendum (dissolving the Union) is divisive! QUOTE]

Put simply that would be the idea, to separate the constituant parts of the UK. Yes it may be devisive within the four nations. It seems to have worked ok in Czeckoslovakia, as was. It may be about to happen in Belgium (not as smoothly perhaps). Some threshold figure would have to be agreed upon, ie 65% of the voters or 50%+ of the population would have to be in favour. It would also have to be restricted to UK citizens and not the EU citizens that are also able to vote here.
The interesting part would be if England voted against the union but the others voted for.

cassie

[quote=ANGLO-STAFFS;426846]Put simply, the CAMPAIGN itself would be divisive! Savvy?

ANGLO-STAFFS

[quote=cassie;426850]So, you would sit back and let things be decided for you. Tell that to the people dying in Burma.

cassie

[quote=ANGLO-STAFFS;426873]NO! Now read the following again, and tell me which bit do you not understand?
How many times would you like to go around the buouy?

I suppose I'm sunk here because you don't comprehend irony.

rjt

You are right to highlight that the SNP are no friends of the English, they are also Europhiles and I wonder why the EDP that has gone to great length to state they are against the EU are consorting with such undisrables.

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(Margaret Thatcher 30 Oct 1990)

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