Johnny Hates Jazz

I think it's something to do with the fact that England is a contributor to the EU

and Scotland is a receiver from the EU.

indeed England is a contributor to the United Kingdom

and Scotland is a recieve from the UK.

Union Blues ?

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cassie

I think we can take it from that, Alex Salmond aint gonna welcome Robin Tilbrook to any SNP Annual Conference ~ this year, or any year!

This puts all that pretentious hob nobbing in perspective! Sad really, and of no benefit to England or the English!

arden forester

Well, I for one, am a bit sad at the backbiting that has arisen here. Cassie, I think you have some strong points, but it is useless in politics if you lose your friends AS WELL AS your colleagues. An argument lost is when a person has no influence.

I do see that the EDP is in a bit of a muddle on two issues. They mainly claim to be pro an English parliament within a British state but then produce policies and liaisons that will inevitably lead to an independent England. They have hardened their EU stance so that it is now a mirror-image of UKIP. Their approach to the politics of the EU is to say out, whereas before it was to hold a referendum to ascertain the peoples' wishes. If the people voted YES then the ED's would have gone for reform of the EU. If it was NO then they would seek alternative trading arrangements, one of which would be joining EFTA. Always assuming that they were in government in Westminster! (Here again we are not sure how ED MPs would work with ED members of an English parliament).

The EU policy now seems also to suggest an independent England. I am in favour of an English parliament within the Union (just as Scotland has) and I would like to see Wales and Northern Ireland get the same settlement. I am in favour of working across the present EU with like-minded eurosceptics so that a concerted effort can be made to change the EU into a much looser, more appropriate, trading zone. That way there would be no need for EFTA or years of negotiating trade agreements.

Originally, on election I thought the UKIP MEPs would work more closely with other MEPs on this. But the wranglings ever since (Kilroy, Veritas, leadership, etc) have diluted this. UKIP seems able to exploit the vote at Euro elections but have insignificant influence with the voters at local and national elections.

My guess is that the majority of voters in the UK do not want to be in an EU as presently constituted. I think that also goes for the people of France, Netherlands, Poland, Czech Republic, and possibly Italy. I bet if Nigel Farage asked around he might get the flavour of opinion in other countries too. The EU is created not in the image of the peoples' desires but in the image of politicians who crave control and personal engrandisement.

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cassie

I think if you care to read other postings of mine, they amount to more than mere 'backbiting', and I am sorry that you appear not to appreciate this! The English Democrats are no friends of mine, which is why they persistently attack me, rather than address the particular issues I raise.

Even more important, I do not regard the EDP under its current leadership as true friends of England. If they cannot accord the customary and long established common rights to their members, they are unlikely to be an improvement for England and its people, despite their professed ideals.

Their hob nobbing with the SNP is but one more manifestation of their falseness.

Englander 1

Cassie what on earth are you going on about....change the record.

cassie

Here you are folks! Another EDP stalwart ducking the issue and telling me to shut up!

As I keep saying, they are democrats in name only!!!

Englander 1

Cassie, you can say what you like,once again you have hijacked a thread with the same old record unfortunately driven by bitterness...its a pity because some of the sensible pieces you write are very good...you really need to move on now...we all wish you well!

Englishman

The English Democrats voted against independence for England in their latest AGM, despite a decent amount within the party calling for it and a decent amount stating that they do want independence but now is not the time
(When is the time? this is perfect timing as the Scotts are now calling for it! but no, the EDP want the English to sit back and and watch the Scotts do what we want to do!???)
and yet the EDP back the Scotts with their call for independence and even invite a SNP rep to their conference to speak????????

How embaressing and what a kick in the teeth for those in the EDP who are supporters of independence!

This is classic skitzo behaviour from the EDP.
I wish they would stop this confusing nonsense.

Englishman

What a great defensive arguement???

That was well debated?????

How democratic????

I can't wait to see how the EDP will take on Labour/Lib/Con MP's when they want questions answering?

cassie

I disagree. I have posed some awkward questions which illustrate the dubiousness of the conduct of EDP affairs by its owners.

However, YOU ~ as an EDP apologist ~ are totally unable to deal with the questions I pose, and so, you resort to attacking me demanding that I "change the record" ie shut up about these issues and that I have "highjacked this thread" implying that somehow the question of reciprocation from the SNP is not relevant.

Well, sadly for you, you cannot delete or threaten to delete postings here, and I can leave it others here to judge for themselves the merits of my postings and the merits of your reactions.

Whether or not you or I like it, there are quite a number of intelligent, thoughtful and independently minded people on here, and the general standard is higher than on the COSG, I regret to say. I don't necessarily agree with these folk on a range of issues (nor them with me), but I feel I receive a fairer hearing here.