English & Scottish Nationalists Talking

cassie · 23-09-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kentishman

Britainist

I assume that you are a Democrat ?

In which case you will respect those who have a different view then yourself.

We had 4 Political Parties represented at the English Conference

1 English Demcorats

2 Scottish National Party - SNP

3 UKIP

4 Liberal Party

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KM

What a phoney! You'd give everyone and anyone opportunity to express "a different view" but not one of your own members whom you accused in absentia without any prior notice!

You don't practice what you preach!

HUMBUG!!!!!

Smidgey · 23-09-2007, 12:05 PM

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My view, as you know, Smidgey, is that all the nations of the UK can manage together quite well outside the EU (and without europhile parties such as the Scottish so-called 'Nationalists').

I agree, but one of my major fears is, upon leaving the EU, will the EU be kind towards Britain? Will it set up trade barriers on British goods and so forth?

I believe that leaving is still the best option - but what will the EU make the cost of leaving be?

arden forester · 23-09-2007, 03:02 PM

Sounds like a marriage of convenience. Or possibly an illicit betrothal. Or even a dangerous liaison!

Populist Lee · 23-09-2007, 03:20 PM

Trade Barriers cuts both ways.

The Germans would hate not being able to sell their Beemers, Mercs and Hitler Wagens to us.

Likewise for the French and Italian car manufacturers.

I expect other Continental firms would be affected as well.

Never listen to the nonsense that the EU would [or could] punish US if we get out.

g hall · 23-09-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Populist Lee

Trade Barriers cuts both ways.

...

Never listen to the nonsense that the EU would [or could] punish US if we get out.

If we do so much trade with the other EU states then surely if we left they wouldn't want to cut off their nose to spite their face

Populist Lee · 23-09-2007, 04:11 PM

Indeed.
If the Commission tried to institute a trade-punishment regime with an independent UK, all those Continental companies will kick up one heck of a fuss.
Hence my comment about "hate not being able to sell . . ."

arden forester · 23-09-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

I agree, but one of my major fears is, upon leaving the EU, will the EU be kind towards Britain? Will it set up trade barriers on British goods and so forth?

I believe that leaving is still the best option - but what will the EU make the cost of leaving be?

Smidgey, you've got a point, up to a point! I don't think the EU would put up "trade barriers" and I think they would accept the situation. However, I do believe that we would have to do exactly what EFTA countries do now, and that is accept most of the EU regulations in order to trade within the EU.

That's why I think UKIP's stance is not Euro-realist at all. It gives those with a heart before head approach the wrong idea. Far better to join up with like-minded groups across the EU and put a concerted effort into dismantling the United States of Europe.

Look at it another way. The Greens are a pan-European grouping. All Green parties sign up to a common EU Election programme. What if there were UKIP type parties across Europe ALL standing on a common EU Election programme. That would be progress.

Then UKIP could either go for what NF calls "the Europe we thought we were signing up for" or a complete dismantling of the whole thing and everyone goes their separate ways, with all the interesting problems that might cause.

I favour what the Liberal Party has now watered down. A Commonwealth of Europe which neither interferes with nation states nor imposes unnecessary regulations. A Europe, though, that comes together to safeguard the environment, travel, and economic prosperity.

cassie · 23-09-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ANGLO-STAFFS

I do not believe Mebyon Kernow want Independence. If you read their "Core values " you will see

"We should have more say in how our lives are run and Mebyon Kernow is leading the campaign for the self-government of Cornwall, through the establishment of a legislative Assembly".

In that case, it is little more than (say) a Yorkshire Party arguing the same for Yorkshire! So, why pose as a nationalist party?

arden forester · 23-09-2007, 04:59 PM

There might just be a Yorkshire Party, Cassie. Local Tories have warned David Cameron they will form their own breakaway northern party if he does not shape up.

He's been warned, eh!

Yorkshire Tories' breakaway bid - Top Stories - News - Mirror.co.uk

ANGLO-STAFFS · 23-09-2007, 06:12 PM

[quote=Smidgey;426075]I agree, but one of my major fears is, upon leaving the EU, will the EU be kind towards Britain? Will it set up trade barriers on British goods and so forth?

QUOTE]

That is a worry that I share. But so many "British" companies are controlled from Europe that it may prove counter productive for some countries.

23-09-2007, 03:02 PM	#23 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,660 Party: None	Concerning relationships Sounds like a marriage of convenience. Or possibly an illicit betrothal. Or even a dangerous liaison! __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

23-09-2007, 03:20 PM	#24 (permalink)
Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,965	Trade Barriers cuts both ways. The Germans would hate not being able to sell their Beemers, Mercs and Hitler Wagens to us. Likewise for the French and Italian car manufacturers. I expect other Continental firms would be affected as well. Never listen to the nonsense that the EU would [or could] punish US if we get out. Last edited by Populist Lee; 23-09-2007 at 03:32 PM.

23-09-2007, 04:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,660 Party: None	There might just be a Yorkshire Party, Cassie. Local Tories have warned David Cameron they will form their own breakaway northern party if he does not shape up. He's been warned, eh! Yorkshire Tories' breakaway bid - Top Stories - News - Mirror.co.uk __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

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23-09-2007, 04:11 PM	#26 (permalink)
Populist Lee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,965	Indeed. If the Commission tried to institute a trade-punishment regime with an independent UK, all those Continental companies will kick up one heck of a fuss. Hence my comment about "hate not being able to sell . . ."

23-09-2007, 06:12 PM	#30 (permalink)
ANGLO-STAFFS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 608	[quote=Smidgey;426075]I agree, but one of my major fears is, upon leaving the EU, will the EU be kind towards Britain? Will it set up trade barriers on British goods and so forth? QUOTE] That is a worry that I share. But so many "British" companies are controlled from Europe that it may prove counter productive for some countries.