Britannist

Yes, but I don't believe in giving a platform to political opponents.

The Scottish so-called 'National' Party (SNP) are the political arm of the EU in Scotland.

And, as I have pointed out before - if I was in Scotland looking for pro-English friends, the headquarters of the SNP would not be the first place I would call at.

Britannist

The SNP are europhiles and - if in power in an 'independent' (i.e. EU-controlled) Scotland - could let troops from the EU military wing now under construction be stationed in Scotland. This could pose a security risk to England, Wales and Northern Ireland (i.e. the UK without Scotland).

Britannist

As has been asked before, Kentishman, will the europhile SNP be asking an English Democrat member speak to the next annual conference of the SNP (since an SNP MP was allowed to speak at last weekend's English Democrat conference)?

Britannist

Actually one is in favour of withdrawal from the EU (UKIP) and the others want to stay in it. The Scottish 'National' Party (an MP from which addressed last weekend's English Democrat conference) want to go further into the EU (i.e. they back the euro, for instance).

Britannist

Actually of the three parties referred to above - UKIP would not support a federal UK as such. Not of the kind the usual definition of federal UK refers to.

Britannist

The europhile Scottish so-called 'National' Party (one of the parties referred to by Kentishman above) does not believe in the self-determination of the Scottish people. It wants Scotland to become part of an EU Superstate in which Scotland will be anything but independent.

Britannist

You could have done that over the telephone - although I am against the English Democrats having anything to do with europhile parties such as the Scottish so-called 'Nationalists' (SNP).

The English Democrats officially back the Union of the UK - the SNP do not.

The English Democrats are against the EU - the SNP adore it.

The English Democrats favour a federal UK - the SNP don't want the UK to exist at all (not one that they are part of anyway).

It was not a good idea to invite someone from the SNP to the English Democrat conference last weekend at Leicester.

Smidgey

I'm wondering, what on earth made the SNP change from being an anti-EU party to such a pro-EU party? What happened in the late 70's, early 80's, that made them do this?

Britannist

Nothing happened other than the fact that this country (the UK) was (by the late 70's) in the EEC/EU an organisation which helps distort the domestic politics of some member nations.

And the fact that the Scottish so-called 'Nationalists' (SNP) adopted the tactic of promoting the concept "of independence (for Scotland) in europe" (i.e. the EU) as a way of answering the claim that "Scotland could not survive on her own outside the UK."

The one thing that the people of Scotland would not get from the SNP is an independent Scotland outside the UK. What they would end up with is an EU-controlled Scotland outside the UK.

My view, as you know, Smidgey, is that all the nations of the UK can manage together quite well outside the EU (and without europhile parties such as the Scottish so-called 'Nationalists').

ANGLO-STAFFS

I do not believe Mebyon Kernow want Independence. If you read their "Core values " you will see

"We should have more say in how our lives are run and Mebyon Kernow is leading the campaign for the self-government of Cornwall, through the establishment of a legislative Assembly".