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Old 22-09-2007, 01:20 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Aha! Another English Democrat who attacks the person rather than the issues!

If that's the best you can do, an ANGLO-STAFFS free zone would not go amiss!
I don't personally get the impression he/she supports the EDs & he/she certainly doesn't support the UK Independence Party.
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Old 22-09-2007, 03:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't personally get the impression he/she supports the EDs & he/she certainly doesn't support the UK Independence Party.
Cassie has jumped to the conclusion that all negative, or non-supportive, comments referring to him must come from the E D's. Paranoia?
Sad!

I have never said that I do not support UKIP. I actually support many of UKIP's ideals. I do not though agree with the way it seems to stager around like a drunk in a maze.
What really troubles me, (you may have gathered this), is the apparent fixation on one day every five years. The Bl***y EU elections are, to most people, the most meaningless elections we have in this country. If otherwise they would get off their backsides and vote, they don't.
Yes, I have been told that it is the one time that UKIP will generate the most interest in the party and the cause. It can them bumble along for the next 5 years and start again.
From reading some of the listing on this forum, increasing the number of MEP's seems the main aim.
Being important for 20 days every 100 years is not a political plan, (IMHO).
I will repeat myself in saying that
If UKIP win every single EU seat it would matter less to Joe Public than if UK won the Eurovision song contest. Which probably has more viewers that the election has voters.
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Old 22-09-2007, 04:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't personally get the impression he/she supports the EDs & he/she certainly doesn't support the UK Independence Party.
Permit me to clarify my position.

I no longer support the EDP. Quite the opposite: I now oppose them, but not the objective of a Parliament for England.

It is accurate to say that I do not support UKIP, but neither do I oppose them.

Indeed, I did not vote in the EU elections in 2004 for a number of reasons. I decided that, on balance, no useful purpose would be served by voting, even for UKIP. On the other hand, the credibility of those elections was diminished by the huge number of abstentions including mine.

In addition, I had a long established right arbitrarily removed by this shabby government - that of voting in person at a Polling Station. This was a right not removed in Scotland, nor Wales nor in the midlands and south of England.

I am also suspicious of Postal Balloting, the only method available to me, especially conducted on the scale it now is. It also interferes significantly, and in my opinion adversely, with election campaigning.

Finally, I prefer to have the option of voting for candidates (rather than be restricted to voting for parties), but that is another long established feature of elections in England arbitrarily removed without the consent of the electorate.

As I have said before, if UKIP modifies its policy about England appropriately, I shall apply for membership. Besides, UKIP would see off the EDP if it adopted a policy supporting a separate parliament & executive for England.
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I like that, is it a quote or all your own work?
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