*** SOLD OUT *** - 5th English Democrats Conference

cassie · 15-09-2007, 09:31 PM

Successes????

In order to remove their first English Democrat councillor in North Yorkshire from the National Council, they expelled him in absentia from membership, without giving any prior notice of intention to do so, and in complete negation of the Principles Of Natural Justice, did not tell him of what he was accused of (either then or since) nor afford opportunity to respond to such accusations. Moreover, some of those involved had an interest in the outcome - again at variance with Natural Justice!

The fact is that the EDP is owned and operated by its three principal creditors [see http://www.electoralcommission.org.u...maryborrow.cfm ] who, despite eventually being forced to declare lenders in excess of £5,000 (occasioned by the change in the EC's regulations in the wake of the shennanigans in the 2005 General Election), never informed the other members of the National Council and their personal interests in certain financial decisions.

You might also be interested to learn that, in conflict with Rule 10.8 of its Constitution, the Treasurer never produced and the National Council never adopted an annual budget of income & expenditure!

You might also be interested to discover that the English Democrats never made a proper record of the proceedings of its general meetings to include, for example, candidates for internal elections, the results, motions to be adopted and those which were etc etc. Neither does the National Council give a written report of its stewardship during the previous year prior to its AGM for adoption by the AGM!

Yep! The EDP is a really successful political party which suppresses any inconvenient factual postings on the COSG Forum.

The question is: are they worse than the devils we know? On present evidence, Yes and must therefore be viewed with great suspicion if not actively opposed!

arden forester · 15-09-2007, 10:54 PM

Fairly damning, I'd say. Maybe someone has a different take?

Tom Wilde · 15-09-2007, 11:35 PM

Intruiged by cassie's posting, I decided to browse the English Democrats' web forum, the Cross of St George Forum. I rapidly found that while a few sections of the forum can be read by unregistered visitors, this doesn't apply to the section for the English Democrats Party itself. I therefore tried to sign up, using my usual Yahoo email address, and was rewarded by this message:

"Sorry, but this e-mail address has been banned."

Given that (so far as I can remember) I've never posted on that forum or tried to join it before, there are two possibilities:

1) The COSG forum bans all Yahoo addresses as an anti-spam measure.
2) The English Democrats are a wee bit defensive and have pre-emptively banned the email addresses of anyone from the British Democracy forum who seems less than enthusiastic about English nationalism.

I'm sure that the correct answer is (1), but would welcome any comments from any of the ED dignitaries who frequent this space!

(p.s. This is your big chance to change the subject after cassie's revelations above! If I were you, I'd go for it!)

mr.growbag · 16-09-2007, 07:20 AM

For a political party that is just 5 years, has minimal financial support and has received very little media coverage, I feel the progress we have made in having councillors elected to the lower tiers of local government in Norfolk, Berkshire, Hampshire, Sussex and Yorkshire is a success. I feel our performance in May's local elections was overall successful and I feel the party's strategy for forthcoming elections shows the English Democrats are progressing. Obviously Tom Wilde and others may view things differently, but for me I view the progress we have made in five years as successful.

Whether the SNP should have been invited to our conference or not is a matter of personal opinion. The fact remains it was a sell out, demonstrating the rise in support of English nationalism.

cassie · 16-09-2007, 09:58 AM

Would the people of England want in power a political party which, on the evidence available (more than one occurrence), gives its members and therefore (by extension) would give citizens in England fewer, if any rights, than they have NOW?

Would the English want what would be a dictatorship? THAT aptly describes the conduct of the EDP's owners.

They had a 'big' debate about adopting a policy of independence for England on Saturday (16th). One thing you won't discover is the number of votes cast for and against the relevant motion! Doubtless Robin Tilbrook wielded his big stick (proxy votes) in the best manner of a Chairman of the Board!!!

People should be in no doubt about the true nature of the EDP!

mr.growbag · 16-09-2007, 04:17 PM

Scratch the surface of any political party and people will find something in the administration they do not agree with. This is true of the Tories, Labour Lib-Dems, BNP and UKIP.

I am not in a position to comment directly on the accusations stated, as these are issues I feel are directed at certain members of the party personally, and therefore it is not up to me to answer. As a member and acting county co-ordinator, all I can say is I have not found the party in any way hostile to me and its senior members have been most supportive. This is despite me supporting of late, the pro-independence lobby.

The question would the people of England want a party in power like the English Democrats - well a growing number of people seem to. With over 60% of the electorate in England in favour of an English parliament, it is not the English Democrats that are denying the people democracy. It is the right to an English parliament the people are being denied, something the English Democrats would deliver.

cassie · 16-09-2007, 10:01 PM

The 'accusations' as you describe them are substantiated. Click on the link and you'll see for yourself on an official government website that Robin Tilbrook has lent the EDP £54,447, Christine Constable £30,000 and Steven Uncles £17,000. Go to the EDP's owb website, here's a link for convenience: http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/about.php and you can see that they are all members of the national leadership.

You will look in vain in the EDP's Constitution to find a 'Vice Chair', but then, when you've advanced £30K a facade can be found for you to operate behind! When has there ever been an election for 'Vice Chair'?

Much of the liability was incurred in 2004 and 2005 (for fairly obvious reasons) but it was not until the 10 Sep 2006 that this information was declared because it was required to be! Indeed, the creditors (at least three others) for a further £11,825 (that we know of) remain undisclosed to the EDP's National Council. Why the secrecy?

You demean yourself by first claiming no knowledge, then presuming to doubt what has been shoved under your nose!

Johnny Hates Jazz · 16-09-2007, 10:16 PM

English Democrats reject policy of Referendum on Indpendence

Johnny Hates Jazz · 16-09-2007, 10:26 PM

Cassie

Have you also explained to our fellow Euro-sceptic colleagues in UKIP how, the English Democrats party National Council was infilrated by a socially inept, former Labour Party member, who, although intelligent, was unable to understanding the difference between winning an arguement and destroying human relationships ?

A wasted opportunity for a man who loves his country ?

or a

Plant for the Labour administration, planted to delay the rise of English Nationalism ?

I enjoyed sharing a beer with my English Democrats colleagues on Saturday night (15 September 2007) in Leicestershire, and having a chat, a laugh and a joke with people I call friends - there were 50+ at the awards dinner.

There wasn't an award for "pointless" arguements but if there had been then surely you would have been sucessful !

What sad pastime did you take part in on Saturday night - you sad, sad man.

If you love your country (England) Gordon Brown is your enemy, not the patriots of the English Demcorats.

Johnny Hates Jazz · 16-09-2007, 10:34 PM

Something you may like to do on those long lonely evenings

Don't make a Ass of yourself !

15-09-2007, 09:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,644	Successes???? In order to remove their first English Democrat councillor in North Yorkshire from the National Council, they expelled him in absentia from membership, without giving any prior notice of intention to do so, and in complete negation of the Principles Of Natural Justice, did not tell him of what he was accused of (either then or since) nor afford opportunity to respond to such accusations. Moreover, some of those involved had an interest in the outcome - again at variance with Natural Justice! The fact is that the EDP is owned and operated by its three principal creditors [see http://www.electoralcommission.org.u...maryborrow.cfm ] who, despite eventually being forced to declare lenders in excess of £5,000 (occasioned by the change in the EC's regulations in the wake of the shennanigans in the 2005 General Election), never informed the other members of the National Council and their personal interests in certain financial decisions. You might also be interested to learn that, in conflict with Rule 10.8 of its Constitution, the Treasurer never produced and the National Council never adopted an annual budget of income & expenditure! You might also be interested to discover that the English Democrats never made a proper record of the proceedings of its general meetings to include, for example, candidates for internal elections, the results, motions to be adopted and those which were etc etc. Neither does the National Council give a written report of its stewardship during the previous year prior to its AGM for adoption by the AGM! Yep! The EDP is a really successful political party which suppresses any inconvenient factual postings on the COSG Forum. The question is: are they worse than the devils we know? On present evidence, Yes and must therefore be viewed with great suspicion if not actively opposed! Last edited by cassie; 15-09-2007 at 09:36 PM.

15-09-2007, 10:54 PM	#22 (permalink)
arden forester Uber Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Solihull, in The Forest of Arden, Warwickshire! Posts: 2,660 Party: None	Fairly damning, I'd say. Maybe someone has a different take? __________________ www.ardenforester.blogspot.com www.westminster-whispers.blogspot.com

16-09-2007, 10:16 PM	#28 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,948	English Democrats reject policy of Referendum on Indpendence __________________ English not British not European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

16-09-2007, 10:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,948	Cassie Have you also explained to our fellow Euro-sceptic colleagues in UKIP how, the English Democrats party National Council was infilrated by a socially inept, former Labour Party member, who, although intelligent, was unable to understanding the difference between winning an arguement and destroying human relationships ? A wasted opportunity for a man who loves his country ? or a Plant for the Labour administration, planted to delay the rise of English Nationalism ? I enjoyed sharing a beer with my English Democrats colleagues on Saturday night (15 September 2007) in Leicestershire, and having a chat, a laugh and a joke with people I call friends - there were 50+ at the awards dinner. There wasn't an award for "pointless" arguements but if there had been then surely you would have been sucessful ! What sad pastime did you take part in on Saturday night - you sad, sad man. If you love your country (England) Gordon Brown is your enemy, not the patriots of the English Demcorats. __________________ English not British not European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

16-09-2007, 10:34 PM	#30 (permalink)
Johnny Hates Jazz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,948	Something you may like to do on those long lonely evenings Don't make a Ass of yourself ! __________________ English not British not European ? *- It's time to decide at the 2009 European Elections*

15-09-2007, 11:35 PM	#23 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,778	Intruiged by cassie's posting, I decided to browse the English Democrats' web forum, the Cross of St George Forum. I rapidly found that while a few sections of the forum can be read by unregistered visitors, this doesn't apply to the section for the English Democrats Party itself. I therefore tried to sign up, using my usual Yahoo email address, and was rewarded by this message: "Sorry, but this e-mail address has been banned." Given that (so far as I can remember) I've never posted on that forum or tried to join it before, there are two possibilities: 1) The COSG forum bans all Yahoo addresses as an anti-spam measure. 2) The English Democrats are a wee bit defensive and have pre-emptively banned the email addresses of anyone from the British Democracy forum who seems less than enthusiastic about English nationalism. I'm sure that the correct answer is (1), but would welcome any comments from any of the ED dignitaries who frequent this space! (p.s. This is your big chance to change the subject after cassie's revelations above! If I were you, I'd go for it!)

16-09-2007, 07:20 AM	#24 (permalink)
mr.growbag Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Glorious Devon Posts: 48	For a political party that is just 5 years, has minimal financial support and has received very little media coverage, I feel the progress we have made in having councillors elected to the lower tiers of local government in Norfolk, Berkshire, Hampshire, Sussex and Yorkshire is a success. I feel our performance in May's local elections was overall successful and I feel the party's strategy for forthcoming elections shows the English Democrats are progressing. Obviously Tom Wilde and others may view things differently, but for me I view the progress we have made in five years as successful. Whether the SNP should have been invited to our conference or not is a matter of personal opinion. The fact remains it was a sell out, demonstrating the rise in support of English nationalism.

16-09-2007, 09:58 AM	#25 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,644	Would the people of England want in power a political party which, on the evidence available (more than one occurrence), gives its members and therefore (by extension) would give citizens in England fewer, if any rights, than they have NOW? Would the English want what would be a dictatorship? THAT aptly describes the conduct of the EDP's owners. They had a 'big' debate about adopting a policy of independence for England on Saturday (16th). One thing you won't discover is the number of votes cast for and against the relevant motion! Doubtless Robin Tilbrook wielded his big stick (proxy votes) in the best manner of a Chairman of the Board!!! People should be in no doubt about the true nature of the EDP!

16-09-2007, 04:17 PM	#26 (permalink)
mr.growbag Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Glorious Devon Posts: 48	Scratch the surface of any political party and people will find something in the administration they do not agree with. This is true of the Tories, Labour Lib-Dems, BNP and UKIP. I am not in a position to comment directly on the accusations stated, as these are issues I feel are directed at certain members of the party personally, and therefore it is not up to me to answer. As a member and acting county co-ordinator, all I can say is I have not found the party in any way hostile to me and its senior members have been most supportive. This is despite me supporting of late, the pro-independence lobby. The question would the people of England want a party in power like the English Democrats - well a growing number of people seem to. With over 60% of the electorate in England in favour of an English parliament, it is not the English Democrats that are denying the people democracy. It is the right to an English parliament the people are being denied, something the English Democrats would deliver.

16-09-2007, 10:01 PM	#27 (permalink)
cassie Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,644	The 'accusations' as you describe them are substantiated. Click on the link and you'll see for yourself on an official government website that Robin Tilbrook has lent the EDP £54,447, Christine Constable £30,000 and Steven Uncles £17,000. Go to the EDP's owb website, here's a link for convenience: http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/about.php and you can see that they are all members of the national leadership. You will look in vain in the EDP's Constitution to find a 'Vice Chair', but then, when you've advanced £30K a facade can be found for you to operate behind! When has there ever been an election for 'Vice Chair'? Much of the liability was incurred in 2004 and 2005 (for fairly obvious reasons) but it was not until the 10 Sep 2006 that this information was declared because it was required to be! Indeed, the creditors (at least three others) for a further £11,825 (that we know of) remain undisclosed to the EDP's National Council. Why the secrecy? You demean yourself by first claiming no knowledge, then presuming to doubt what has been shoved under your nose!

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