UK Election Under PR

British-Conservatism · 30-04-2008, 07:39 PM

If the UK changed to a system of proportional represention where the result exactly matched the % of the vote what % do you think the main parties would get if an election was held tomorrow?

Apart from the big three parties I can see UKIP, the Greens and BNP as the only other parties that would stand a full slate of candidates across the UK in such a situation.

Here is my prediction.

Labour - 28.2%
Conservative - 33.1%
Lib Dem - 15.8%
BNP - 6.9%
Green - 4.9%
UKIP - 2.5%
SNP - 2.4%
Others - 6.2% (1.4% under 41,000 votes needed for a seat).

In terms of seats discounting the parties that receive under 41,000 votes which would be about whats needed for a seat the other's would have 9 seats less but ill leave them in for this one.

Labour - 182
Conservative - 214
Lib Dem - 102
BNP - 45
Green - 32
UKIP - 16
SNP - 15
Others - 40

Would be very interesting to see what coalition could be formed out of this lot.

eublues · 30-04-2008, 08:10 PM

When such a system comes in (under EU instructions) it will no doubt be devised in such a way as to give small parties little or nothing in terms of seats.

Westcountryman · 30-04-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eublues

When such a system comes in (under EU instructions) it will no doubt be devised in such a way as to give small parties little or nothing in terms of seats.

Why would they do that? If so, would they not already be trying to stop UKIP from succeeding in the EU elections?

British-Conservatism · 30-04-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eublues

When such a system comes in (under EU instructions) it will no doubt be devised in such a way as to give small parties little or nothing in terms of seats.

No doubt but I just did this to give us a glance of how a true democracy may work here.

eublues · 30-04-2008, 08:17 PM

No doubt they are working on how to stop UKIP, but for the time being we are tolerated because they don't want to make waves.

British-Conservatism · 30-04-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

Why would they do that? If so, would they not already be trying to stop UKIP from succeeding in the EU elections?

If a system like this did some how come into place I would think both UKIP and the BNP would be commanding around 40% of the vote between them within a couple of elections.
I would expect the English Democrats and the National Front or an even more extreme organisation to get seats eventually too.

Westcountryman · 30-04-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eublues

No doubt they are working on that, but for the time being we are tolerated because they don't want to make waves.

You seriously think the EU is some kind of anti-democratic, police state type body?

Personally the only reason I think the EU is undemocratic is because if it suddenly started getting it's own directly elected officials (ie. The European Council and the Commission) then it would be seen as another step towards becoming a state in its own right, which they are trying to avoid.

Westcountryman · 30-04-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

If a system like this did some how come into place I would think both UKIP and the BNP would be commanding around 40% of the vote between them within a couple of elections.

I don't think so. If that were the case the 'nasty' Tory party would still be in power.

British-Conservatism · 30-04-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

I don't think so. If that were the case the 'nasty' Tory party would still be in power.

Under this system it would consist of coalition governments.

Labour/Lib Dem/Green/Plaid/SDLP/Sinn Fein and maybe the SNP as one block.

Perhaps Tories and UKIP

Or UKIP/BNP.

Populist Lee · 30-04-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eublues

When such a system comes in (under EU instructions) it will no doubt be devised in such a way as to give small parties little or nothing in terms of seats.

Simon Hughes MP was informing the attendees at last Saturday's CEP Conference that the next General Election will be contested under the AV System.

Now, isn't that interesting?

30-04-2008, 07:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
British-Conservatism Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,159	UK Election Under PR If the UK changed to a system of proportional represention where the result exactly matched the % of the vote what % do you think the main parties would get if an election was held tomorrow? Apart from the big three parties I can see UKIP, the Greens and BNP as the only other parties that would stand a full slate of candidates across the UK in such a situation. Here is my prediction. Labour - 28.2% Conservative - 33.1% Lib Dem - 15.8% BNP - 6.9% Green - 4.9% UKIP - 2.5% SNP - 2.4% Others - 6.2% (1.4% under 41,000 votes needed for a seat). In terms of seats discounting the parties that receive under 41,000 votes which would be about whats needed for a seat the other's would have 9 seats less but ill leave them in for this one. Labour - 182 Conservative - 214 Lib Dem - 102 BNP - 45 Green - 32 UKIP - 16 SNP - 15 Others - 40 Would be very interesting to see what coalition could be formed out of this lot. __________________ http://conservativedemocraticalliance.blogspot.com/

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30-04-2008, 08:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,970	When such a system comes in (under EU instructions) it will no doubt be devised in such a way as to give small parties little or nothing in terms of seats.

30-04-2008, 08:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
eublues Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,970	No doubt they are working on how to stop UKIP, but for the time being we are tolerated because they don't want to make waves.