Bournemouth council by-election on 15 December

vikingboy · 05-12-2005, 09:25 PM

If this wasn't serious it would make a damn funny tv soap opera. "we don't tell them what to do...!" What on earth is al that about? Surely Bournemouth as a town, not just two constituencies, is what matters?

Having said that, such organisation proves that UKIP is simply not up to the job of fighting local elections; as organising branches (that seemingly don't talk) on parliamentry lines rather than the obvious local authority lines clearly marks out UKIP electoral strategy.

Deviating slightly, I have e-mailed UKIP head office TWICE asking them to explain why, with all the mulitudes of gimmicks available for sale on the UKIP web site, how come UKIP does not provide either as downloads or for sale to interested parties, recruitment leaflets, either on specific issues, ie housing, transport, the environment etc, or a general policy leaflet that could be distributed by anyone, any where in the country, for those simply not in touch with a branch, or too far from an active (now THERE is a contradiction in terms!) UKIP unit? Virtually every other political party have these (with the notable exception of VERITAS, which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING).

UKIP it seems, not only does not want to recruit people by street activity outside of elections, it does not want to answer any type of criticism aimed at it by the public OR the membership. They seem totally oblivious to the real world of political activity. From my experience when I was active, any type of leaflet was either produced at a regional level, usually on very expensive on glossy paper, or if you could afford it, at a local level.

From the time when I attended the 1999 party conference that resulted in then chairman Michael Holmes demise, UKIP to me has come to represent nothing more than a champaigne sipping nationalist movement lead by people driving Mercedes and BMWs, living in an almost literary fantasy world of how politics is played out, as somehow written according to the chapters in a children's fantasy novel; with a foreword, author's background, and chapters leading up to "how the butler (the EU) did it".

Time is running out for UKIP, or should I say Britain?

chameleon2004 · 08-12-2005, 04:13 PM

quote

I think that UKIP just doesnt take religion as seriously as the BNP, but at least UKIP isnt trying to expolit religion unlike the BNP, I mean how many BNP members are actually church-going Christians?[/quote]

From BNP iford and littledown election leaflet

√ Christianity
The British National party supports Christian principles as enshrined within the Bible. We consider that schools should continue teaching
Christianity as taught to our parents and
Grandparents, and that Christian principles should not be replaced or forgotten about in the school Curriculum, which has happened in parts of England. :shock:

Also found this

http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/dorset.htm

Alex McKee · 08-12-2005, 04:36 PM

Chameleon, if you are BNP use the BNP avatar please.

Swivel Eyed Fanatic · 15-12-2005, 10:09 AM

polls are open.......anyone know how its going.....??

Cyburn · 16-12-2005, 06:58 AM

Results:

Conservative 138,
Lib-Dem 389,
Labour 162,
BNP 74.

mkpdavies · 16-12-2005, 08:05 AM

I see the Cameron effect is paying real dividends.

John Page · 16-12-2005, 09:00 AM

The BNP has commented on yesterday's Bournemouth election, mentioning UKIP.

How do I know this? Because the BNP published a prompt news update on their website.

But I don't monitor the BNP website. Yuk. So how do I know about the announcement? Because Google News reported it as an item mentioning UKIP.

Barry Bennett, Bournemouth British National Party chairman, polled 74 votes – or 3.9% pf the poll in the Tory Bournemouth stronghold of Iford and Littledown on Thursday.

The result, which was more or less what was expected in this arch-Conservative ward, confirms the BNP as very much part and parcel of the town’s electoral scene.

Amazingly the entire election cost the branch less that £40 – with all election literature being produced locally on Party owned plant.

Barry says he is determined for the branch to raise the BNP banner in local elections, which means taking on the tough seats as well as the more promising, however he added that he was very encouraged by finding himself within striking distance of overtaking the Labour vote.

Readers may also remember that this is the seat that the local UKIP branch, said to be one of their best in the country, declined to contest as they were apparently unaware that the seat had become vacant – well, that was their excuse anyway!

Results: Conservative 138, Lib-Dem 389, Labour 162, BNP 74.

So the BNP gets a little more exposure, and the locals get a public pat on the back, encouraging others to have a go too. Must be good for morale.

This isn't rocket science, UKIP has plenty of people with the expertise to make this sort of thing happen.

The NEC should get a similar arrangement in place for UKIP - and see that it gets used

John Page

mkpdavies · 16-12-2005, 09:18 AM

Tory stonghold? The Tories took a whupping according to these results!

While the BNP core philosophy is abhorant, the fact is, with a lot less members and resource, punch well above their weight.

Their website is better than UKIP's

They get zero media coverage (other than bad stuff), so they use the avenues open to them much better than UKIP.

They are building a good illusion that they give a toss about more than just kicking out foreigners.

If they didn't have so many criminals running the party, a history of thuggary, and a core philiosphy of racism, they would probably have done very well, rather than the fouth place out of four they managed here.

Everytime I hear the leadership bemoaning the fact the media hate us and we don't have the money, I just think what the BNP do with their limited resource and I realise what ******** it is.

Christina · 16-12-2005, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I see the Cameron effect is paying real dividends.

It helps if the correct figures are posted.

Conservative candidate got 1318 votes, the Lib Dems lost around 1000 votes.

This is a pdf (1 Page)

http://www.bournemouth.gov.uk/Librar...t%20Poster.pdf

The Cameron effect indeed!

mkpdavies · 16-12-2005, 10:25 AM

I did wonder if that was the case!

That puts a whole new slant on things. Kennedy must be bricking it.

05-12-2005, 09:25 PM	#41 (permalink)
vikingboy Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 29	UKIP not talking to each other?? If this wasn't serious it would make a damn funny tv soap opera. "we don't tell them what to do...!" What on earth is al that about? Surely Bournemouth as a town, not just two constituencies, is what matters? Having said that, such organisation proves that UKIP is simply not up to the job of fighting local elections; as organising branches (that seemingly don't talk) on parliamentry lines rather than the obvious local authority lines clearly marks out UKIP electoral strategy. Deviating slightly, I have e-mailed UKIP head office TWICE asking them to explain why, with all the mulitudes of gimmicks available for sale on the UKIP web site, how come UKIP does not provide either as downloads or for sale to interested parties, recruitment leaflets, either on specific issues, ie housing, transport, the environment etc, or a general policy leaflet that could be distributed by anyone, any where in the country, for those simply not in touch with a branch, or too far from an active (now THERE is a contradiction in terms!) UKIP unit? Virtually every other political party have these (with the notable exception of VERITAS, which has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING). UKIP it seems, not only does not want to recruit people by street activity outside of elections, it does not want to answer any type of criticism aimed at it by the public OR the membership. They seem totally oblivious to the real world of political activity. From my experience when I was active, any type of leaflet was either produced at a regional level, usually on very expensive on glossy paper, or if you could afford it, at a local level. From the time when I attended the 1999 party conference that resulted in then chairman Michael Holmes demise, UKIP to me has come to represent nothing more than a champaigne sipping nationalist movement lead by people driving Mercedes and BMWs, living in an almost literary fantasy world of how politics is played out, as somehow written according to the chapters in a children's fantasy novel; with a foreword, author's background, and chapters leading up to "how the butler (the EU) did it". Time is running out for UKIP, or should I say Britain?

08-12-2005, 04:13 PM	#42 (permalink)
chameleon2004 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5	BNP church-going Christians quote I think that UKIP just doesnt take religion as seriously as the BNP, but at least UKIP isnt trying to expolit religion unlike the BNP, I mean how many BNP members are actually church-going Christians?[/quote] From BNP iford and littledown election leaflet √ Christianity The British National party supports Christian principles as enshrined within the Bible. We consider that schools should continue teaching Christianity as taught to our parents and Grandparents, and that Christian principles should not be replaced or forgotten about in the school Curriculum, which has happened in parts of England. :shock: Also found this http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/dorset.htm

16-12-2005, 08:05 AM	#46 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I see the Cameron effect is paying real dividends. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

16-12-2005, 09:18 AM	#48 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Tory stonghold? The Tories took a whupping according to these results! While the BNP core philosophy is abhorant, the fact is, with a lot less members and resource, punch well above their weight. Their website is better than UKIP's They get zero media coverage (other than bad stuff), so they use the avenues open to them much better than UKIP. They are building a good illusion that they give a toss about more than just kicking out foreigners. If they didn't have so many criminals running the party, a history of thuggary, and a core philiosphy of racism, they would probably have done very well, rather than the fouth place out of four they managed here. Everytime I hear the leadership bemoaning the fact the media hate us and we don't have the money, I just think what the BNP do with their limited resource and I realise what ******** it is. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

16-12-2005, 10:25 AM	#50 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I did wonder if that was the case! That puts a whole new slant on things. Kennedy must be bricking it. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

08-12-2005, 04:36 PM	#43 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,621	Chameleon, if you are BNP use the BNP avatar please.

15-12-2005, 10:09 AM	#44 (permalink)
Swivel Eyed Fanatic Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tees Valley Sub-Region Posts: 331	polls are open.......anyone know how its going.....??

16-12-2005, 06:58 AM	#45 (permalink)
Cyburn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kilburn, London Posts: 523	Results: Conservative 138, Lib-Dem 389, Labour 162, BNP 74.

16-12-2005, 09:00 AM	#47 (permalink)
John Page Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Welwyn Hatfield (Herts.) Posts: 1,878	The BNP has commented on yesterday's Bournemouth election, mentioning UKIP. How do I know this? Because the BNP published a prompt news update on their website. But I don't monitor the BNP website. Yuk. So how do I know about the announcement? Because Google News reported it as an item mentioning UKIP. Barry Bennett, Bournemouth British National Party chairman, polled 74 votes – or 3.9% pf the poll in the Tory Bournemouth stronghold of Iford and Littledown on Thursday. The result, which was more or less what was expected in this arch-Conservative ward, confirms the BNP as very much part and parcel of the town’s electoral scene. Amazingly the entire election cost the branch less that £40 – with all election literature being produced locally on Party owned plant. Barry says he is determined for the branch to raise the BNP banner in local elections, which means taking on the tough seats as well as the more promising, however he added that he was very encouraged by finding himself within striking distance of overtaking the Labour vote. Readers may also remember that this is the seat that the local UKIP branch, said to be one of their best in the country, declined to contest as they were apparently unaware that the seat had become vacant – well, that was their excuse anyway! Results: Conservative 138, Lib-Dem 389, Labour 162, BNP 74. So the BNP gets a little more exposure, and the locals get a public pat on the back, encouraging others to have a go too. Must be good for morale. This isn't rocket science, UKIP has plenty of people with the expertise to make this sort of thing happen. The NEC should get a similar arrangement in place for UKIP - and see that it gets used John Page

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