Bournemouth council by-election on 15 December

Swivel Eyed Fanatic · 25-11-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Arnott

I am employed for one day a week on local elections, which includes policy and literature. This simply does not leave time for me to identify every single council by-election in the UK and mobilise local branches.

Jonathan, I was aware of the above from previous threads, hence my use of the past tense “I THOUGHT" rather than the present tense "I THINK"

This was in no way a pop at you but rather at the Party who are failing (at the moment) to give a lead on this. I also agree that local branches are best placed to identify council by-elections and they should be doing so as a matter of routine.

If you have ant influence over the Leadership how about getting them to identify “By-election Co-ordinator” as a Branch Officer’s Post that all Branches should have. This could be for ALL by-elections including Westminster elections and the Branch Officer would be responsible for being ready to fight a by-election at any time. I’m going to send this suggestion to Steve Allison to see if he can do anything with it as well.

Tom Collier · 26-11-2005, 11:44 AM

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Why didn't East Bournmouth know about this? The local branch has to look at itself and ask why it failed to spot this opportunity. Local branches have to take responsibility for themselves.

Just to clear up the position regarding the Bournemouth East situation, the committee did know about it and decided not to contest it due to lack of campaigning time. I didn`t go to the last committee meeting, and rarely do now, as I am not either on it or an official candidate. So I didn`t know about the byelection and would have gone for it. We do need more people who want to stand for things like this I`ll admit. So, yes the branch did infact know about the opportunity (though has the wrong view about such things IMO).

And no, branches should not feel obligated to help/inform other branches, though I`m pleased to say B`mouth East and B.West have shared a number of excellent events, together with other local branches. If there is something done about byelections by UKIP centrally eg on the website, that would be great.

chameleon2004 · 26-11-2005, 01:19 PM

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Just to clear up the position regarding the Bournemouth East situation, the committee did know about it and decided not to contest it due to lack of campaigning time.

Lack of time?

The Bournemouth Council contacted all political parties including UKIP on the 2nd November 2005 via email.

Last day of nomination was 18th November

Election not til 15th December.

How much time does a political party need.

Obviously the local BNP organiser was on the case, as were the labour, lib dem and conservatives.

It will be interesting to see how things turn out.

Eric Wilson · 26-11-2005, 05:59 PM

U.K.I.P.'s recent difficulties in elections means that we should be discussing what must be done to improve matters. The leadership get blamed for things for which the grass roots members should take more responsibility.
Our basic weakness is the lack of branches in many parts of the country. It is very difficult for a member to fight any type of election without some support from a branch. Yet some constituencies have got more than enough members to start a branch.E.G. Hexham in Northumberland has over 40 members but no branch. The initiative must come from ordinary members with help from the R.O. Our immediate task then is to expand the branch structure with every member knowing that they belong to a branch. Head office can help here by informing every new member of the name and address of the chairman of their nearest branch.
Finance is another major problem. What we need is a steady income. The N.E. R.O. is trying to organise a lottery which would give him money to use for publicity and for fighting elections. Again it is upto members to support him in his efforts.Without their input his efforts will be in vain.
I would be interested in other members views on the above points.
Eric Wilson

chameleon2004 · 27-11-2005, 06:51 PM

[quote="claire stone"]

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Originally Posted by Jean Pool

Pretty pointless UKIP and BNP standing against each other, really.

This is not BNP terrority! You will be wasting your time here.

If its not BNP territory, why have there been so many articles in the Dorset and Bournemouth Echo? The same search for our UKIP shows 37 results but when you see the articles they arent ukip at all just info on tories and letwin!! And a couple of saturdays ago they had a wide 2 page spread -BNP Unite - The makings of a racist thug (sarcasm) spread on the letters page?

A search on the echo website BNP.

Showing 1 to 10 of 27 results

We abhor BNP, fire authority chairman says 16 Nov 2005
DORSET Fire Authority's view of the British National Party has been made clear: "We abhor it and everything it stands for". more...

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Anger of fire officers at failure to ban BNP 26 Oct 2005
ANGRY fire officers have condemned the Dorset Fire Authority for "missing a golden opportunity" to ban British National Party members from their ranks. more...

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Fire Service's BNP ban bid goes up in smoke 25 Oct 2005
A HARDLINE stance by the Fire Service against racists and bigots has been scrapped before it even began. more...

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FIRE BRIGADE BID TO BAN BNP 22 Oct 2005
RACISTS and bigots need not apply - that's the message from Dorset Fire and Rescue Service as they get tough on race issues. more...

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FIRE BRIGADE BID TO BAN BNP 22 Oct 2005
RACISTS and bigots need not apply - that's the message about to be released by Dorset Fire and Rescue Service as they get tough on race issues. more...

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Fury over BNP bus bombing leaflets 28 Jul 2005
MEMBERS of the Islamic community in Bournemouth are outraged at a British National Party leaflet campaign showing a graphic image of an exploded bus. more...

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Fury over BNP bus bombing leaflets 28 Jul 2005
MEMBERS of the Islamic community in Bournemouth are outraged at a British National Party leaflet campaign showing a graphic image of an exploded bus. more...

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Faithful keep Syms in seat 6 May 2005
CONSERVATIVE Robert Syms was elected as MP for Poole for a third term with a convincing majority. more...

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Tenants told to remove BNP posters 11 Mar 2005
SUPPORTERS of the British National Party have been told to remove posters from their housing association properties in Christchurch or face legal action. more...

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Is town going to extremes? 27 Oct 2004
REVELATIONS that the far-right British National Party has set up in Christchurch sent ripples of shock across Dorset last week. more...

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Dismay as BNP puts down roots in town 22 Oct 2004
GROUPS fighting for racial equality in Dorset fear the extremist views of a right-wing group that has taken root in Christchurch will incite hatred and division in the borough. more...

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Police are barred from joining BNP 31 Jul 2004
POLICE officers in Dorset have been banned from being members of the British National Party under a countrywide policy. more...

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The ugly side of politics in Britain today 17 Jul 2004
LET'S face it - infiltrating the British National Party and revealing the evil within wasn't rocket science. more...

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Call on Tories to throw out racists 13 Jul 2004
BOURNEMOUTH University chancellor Lord Taylor has called for the Conservative Party to rid itself of racists after receiving a series of hate-filled letters. more...

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Bragg steps out for anti-racism march 7 Jun 2004
DORSET musician and political activist Billy Bragg joined around 250 people in an anti-racism march. more...

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Mother-of-two takes a stand against BNP 3 Jun 2004
A JEWISH mother-of-two is so disgusted at a flyer from the British National Party shoved through her letter-box that she is organising a march against racism in Shaftesbury. more...

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Vote your Euro MEP INTO phpbb_office 28 May 2004
WEST Dorset people go to the polls on June 10 to help elect seven MEPs to represent the South West for the next four years. more...

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The Rock and the electoral roll... 26 May 2004
AN UNEXPECTED alliance has grown up between Poole and a crowded rock jutting INTO phpbb_the Mediterranean. more...

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Singer Bragg in BNP storm 9 Mar 2004
DORSET singer and political activist Billy Bragg came under fire today after claims that he supported beating up British National Party members in the street. more...

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Jean Pool · 27-11-2005, 06:54 PM

Chameleon - Can we be clear, that was a comment by Claire Stone above. You've mixed them together.

Thankyou.

chameleon2004 · 04-12-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean Pool

Chameleon - Can we be clear, that was a comment by Claire Stone above. You've mixed them together.

Thankyou.

OK.

chameleon2004 · 04-12-2005, 08:00 PM

I have just seen the BNP leaflet printed and published by the candidate for the Iford and littledown election.

Its very comprehensive, A4 2 sider, but it does cover among the local issues, a paragraph on the European Union.

'Back to British Independance! We support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to Keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measure and reject any suggestio of replacing the British flag for the EU Flag' !!!

and in reference to Politically correct projects run by councils, he states this as European brainwashing! as well as the parties usual stance against Islam.

He seems to be a 'green' and a Union man aswell. :shock:

Jonathan Arnott · 05-12-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Swivel Eyed Fanatic

sooner the better.......I hope this person reports to the General Secretary as he seems to have his finger on the pulse......however I did see some e-mails a few weeks ago which seemed to say the Gen Sec had been told to keep out of UKIP Local.......any truth in that Jonathan? I heard you and David Samuel Camps were adamant you worked direct to the NEC.....let’s face it infighting is what UKIP does best.......

Didn't see this post at the time. No truth in it at all. Geoffrey Kingscott has been most helpful.

Cyburn · 05-12-2005, 07:13 PM

Seems like the BNP is trying to claim UKIP is trying to get the Islamic vote

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UKIP: Need to cultivate the Islamic vote!

Consequently it is no surprise that UKIP’ers are increasingly viewing the BNP as Britain’s last hope. Many of these good patriotic people have already “jumped-ship”, others still, have developed a foot in both camps. Indeed it is one of the latter that has brought to our attention a private and confidencial conversation that took place following a meeting held in Salisbury at the end of last month.

The gentleman concerned, who is “Church of England” rather than a regular churchgoer, wanted clarification as to what UKIP’s declared “non-sectarian” stance on religion meant in practice. And so, following lunch, he sought out a VERY prominent UKIP official present, whom we shall not name to avoid embarrassment, for enlightenment.

Now our informant confides that he rather expected a reassuring response along the lines of “Well, publicly, UKIP is non sectarian but, between you and me, we are, of course, biased towards our native Christian religion.” What he was actually told, in hushed tones, was something altogether different!

As far as our informant can recollect the response was, “You have to understand that Christianity is a dying religion and we, as a party, have to look to the future. Whether you like it or not Islam is the growing religious power in the land and under such circumstances it would be political suicide to be unduly associated with Christianity.”

In addition he learned, “We have to be pragmatic as a political party and so, in the long run, it is to our advantage to develop support amongst the Islamic Community. After all Muslim businessmen are, by and large, Free Traders and many of them share the Party’s concerns over the European Union”!

We here, at Southwest Regional Voices, have been left wondering what those rural vicars, who have previously voiced support for UKIP, will make of all this!

It is OK to quote this, instead of linking it?????????? mkpdavies

I think that UKIP just doesnt take religion as seriously as the BNP, but at least UKIP isnt trying to expolit religion unlike the BNP, I mean how many BNP members are actually church-going Christians?

26-11-2005, 05:59 PM	#34 (permalink)
Eric Wilson Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 69	Elections and Candidates. U.K.I.P.'s recent difficulties in elections means that we should be discussing what must be done to improve matters. The leadership get blamed for things for which the grass roots members should take more responsibility. Our basic weakness is the lack of branches in many parts of the country. It is very difficult for a member to fight any type of election without some support from a branch. Yet some constituencies have got more than enough members to start a branch.E.G. Hexham in Northumberland has over 40 members but no branch. The initiative must come from ordinary members with help from the R.O. Our immediate task then is to expand the branch structure with every member knowing that they belong to a branch. Head office can help here by informing every new member of the name and address of the chairman of their nearest branch. Finance is another major problem. What we need is a steady income. The N.E. R.O. is trying to organise a lottery which would give him money to use for publicity and for fighting elections. Again it is upto members to support him in his efforts.Without their input his efforts will be in vain. I would be interested in other members views on the above points. Eric Wilson

04-12-2005, 08:00 PM	#38 (permalink)
chameleon2004 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 5	BNP leaflet in Iford and Littledown. I have just seen the BNP leaflet printed and published by the candidate for the Iford and littledown election. Its very comprehensive, A4 2 sider, but it does cover among the local issues, a paragraph on the European Union. 'Back to British Independance! We support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to Keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measure and reject any suggestio of replacing the British flag for the EU Flag' !!! and in reference to Politically correct projects run by councils, he states this as European brainwashing! as well as the parties usual stance against Islam. He seems to be a 'green' and a Union man aswell. :shock:

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27-11-2005, 06:54 PM	#36 (permalink)
Jean Pool Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 884	Chameleon - Can we be clear, that was a comment by Claire Stone above. You've mixed them together. Thankyou.