Conservatives win Crewe-Nantwich By-Election - clich here for result

prober · 23-05-2008, 07:22 AM

The harsh reality is that the scenerio has come down to people's pockets being hit by ruling party actions, making it a 2 party exercise with viting Tory being the most effective way of punishing the government. In this all smaller parties including Greens get swept aside.

Bearing mind how little UKIP has developed since 2004 in connecting with the public hearts on what is important to it ,( let alone explaining how the EU impacts adversely on their lives ) the result is a credit to local UKIP efforts. ( thank goodness not beaten by loonies/beauties etc & nott having to deal with a BNP vote )

For the future, UKIP has to face up to a resurgent confident Tory Party that may feel it can ignore UKIP on the basis that minor erosion of Tory vote by UKIP is now of no consequence.

The interesting thing is a Lib Dem comment in the Commons on the lines of " The time of the Labour Party in history is beginning to be over as no longer representing the people for what it was founded for .... time for it to be replaced by a left of centre Lib Dem Party" . Realignment of politics ? Time for a UKIP partly as a pressure group on Tories to rethink where it needs to target and get its vote from ?

Mikeuk · 23-05-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

One vote per property owned, Mike?

Yes why not. Supplementary properties to be in any value band of course.

I suppose we could go for the old Prussian system under which electors have multiple votes dependent on wealth and status. These votes are used to select an electoral college which then chooses the members of the diet.

Or why don't we just take the vote away from any traitor who supports a pro-EU party?

AlanA · 23-05-2008, 07:35 AM

A pathetic result for UKIP, particularly, as they put up a so called 'big gun' in there. The message is clearly not getting across.
Time for the pompous oaf Farage to rethink his position !

Westcountryman · 23-05-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AlanA

A pathetic result for UKIP, particularly, as they put up a so called 'big gun' in there. The message is clearly not getting across.
Time for the pompous oaf Farage to rethink his position !

UKIP did better than all of the other 'minor' parties. That's worth something at least.

Clippo · 23-05-2008, 07:44 AM

(Swallows deeply) – I agree with AlanA (and AB) – I think this is a poor result for UKIP.

Although the EU issue is of minimal priority to most voters at GE or even by-election times, I thought UKIP still might have been carried along more than they were by the general right-wing backlash against Nu-labour.

As they stand now, UKIP has nothing to offer.

komerad · 23-05-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

UKIP did better than all of the other 'minor' parties. That's worth something at least.

WCM - I disagree "All the other minor parties" consisted of 2 independents, Monster LP, EDP, & a nutter nobody has heard of.
The only passable result is beating the Green party & this after bringing in one of UKIP's "top guns", for a miserable 2.2%.
How this can be considered a good result completely confounds me

ATM - I'm afraid, UKIP is going nowhere

cookie65 · 23-05-2008, 08:14 AM

Get real . This is a very good 4th place in a by-election with 10 candidates. Everybody knew the Lab/Tory fight would attract most of the votes thereby squeezing everybody else's vote share. MN beat the next closest candidate by a factor of nearly 3 to 1 , This despite almost no Media coverage.

ukiprule · 23-05-2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by komerad

WCM - I disagree "All the other minor parties" consisted of 2 independents, Monster LP, EDP, & a nutter nobody has heard of.
The only passable result is beating the Green party & this after bringing in one of UKIP's "top guns", for a miserable 2.2%.
How this can be considered a good result completely confounds me

ATM - I'm afraid, UKIP is going nowhere

Komered did you visit crewe , and help the ukip campagin?

mkpdavies · 23-05-2008, 08:29 AM

I think we are fully in the grip of the puppet show at the moment. It has been drilled into to people so much that you either have to be blue or red, that exactly that is happening. "Others" has collapsed of late. Seriously, UKIP manged to get the 4th place expected, but 2.2% really does show how far it has to go.

I don't think the UKIP strategy was right at all, but there was a lot of effort so they deserved better on that alone.

Even if UKIP had run a kick **** campaign, I still don't think it would have made HUGE amounts of difference. We have to work out how to break people out of the spell of the MSM. They are being ordered to vote for puppets and are thus puppets themselves.

Mikeuk · 23-05-2008, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by komerad

WCM - I disagree "All the other minor parties" consisted of 2 independents, Monster LP, EDP, & a nutter nobody has heard of.
The only passable result is beating the Green party & this after bringing in one of UKIP's "top guns", for a miserable 2.2%.
How this can be considered a good result completely confounds me

ATM - I'm afraid, UKIP is going nowhere

Looks like the BNP didn't stand. What happened to them?

Just as well they didn't or they might have beaten UKIP.

23-05-2008, 08:29 AM	#29 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I think we are fully in the grip of the puppet show at the moment. It has been drilled into to people so much that you either have to be blue or red, that exactly that is happening. "Others" has collapsed of late. Seriously, UKIP manged to get the 4th place expected, but 2.2% really does show how far it has to go. I don't think the UKIP strategy was right at all, but there was a lot of effort so they deserved better on that alone. Even if UKIP had run a kick **** campaign, I still don't think it would have made HUGE amounts of difference. We have to work out how to break people out of the spell of the MSM. They are being ordered to vote for puppets and are thus puppets themselves. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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23-05-2008, 07:22 AM	#21 (permalink)
prober Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 826	The harsh reality is that the scenerio has come down to people's pockets being hit by ruling party actions, making it a 2 party exercise with viting Tory being the most effective way of punishing the government. In this all smaller parties including Greens get swept aside. Bearing mind how little UKIP has developed since 2004 in connecting with the public hearts on what is important to it ,( let alone explaining how the EU impacts adversely on their lives ) the result is a credit to local UKIP efforts. ( thank goodness not beaten by loonies/beauties etc & nott having to deal with a BNP vote ) For the future, UKIP has to face up to a resurgent confident Tory Party that may feel it can ignore UKIP on the basis that minor erosion of Tory vote by UKIP is now of no consequence. The interesting thing is a Lib Dem comment in the Commons on the lines of " The time of the Labour Party in history is beginning to be over as no longer representing the people for what it was founded for .... time for it to be replaced by a left of centre Lib Dem Party" . Realignment of politics ? Time for a UKIP partly as a pressure group on Tories to rethink where it needs to target and get its vote from ?

23-05-2008, 07:35 AM	#23 (permalink)
AlanA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bolton Posts: 179	A pathetic result for UKIP, particularly, as they put up a so called 'big gun' in there. The message is clearly not getting across. Time for the pompous oaf Farage to rethink his position !

23-05-2008, 07:44 AM	#25 (permalink)
Clippo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cheshire Posts: 1,982	(Swallows deeply) – I agree with AlanA (and AB) – I think this is a poor result for UKIP. Although the EU issue is of minimal priority to most voters at GE or even by-election times, I thought UKIP still might have been carried along more than they were by the general right-wing backlash against Nu-labour. As they stand now, UKIP has nothing to offer.

23-05-2008, 08:14 AM	#27 (permalink)
cookie65 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hyde cheshire Posts: 639	Get real . This is a very good 4th place in a by-election with 10 candidates. Everybody knew the Lab/Tory fight would attract most of the votes thereby squeezing everybody else's vote share. MN beat the next closest candidate by a factor of nearly 3 to 1 , This despite almost no Media coverage.