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ukiprule · 21-05-2008, 07:16 PM

Earthling · 22-05-2008, 01:21 PM

Of course it can it just needs the right sort of campaign with emphasis on the local issues and UKIP need to make the public aware that we are NOT anti-immigration and we do NOT share views with the racist BNP

Anthony Butcher · 22-05-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthling

UKIP need to make the public aware that we are NOT anti-immigration and

Err... UKIP's policy is a complete freeze on immigration for five or more years. I think that pretty much qualifies as anti-immigration.... UKIP wants to ban it!

mkpdavies · 22-05-2008, 02:28 PM

Suspend it might be a better term, depending on whether there is any intention to revisit the policy, which they say there is.

I think it is fair to say, there are a fair number of people who support that in UKIP, but also a fair number who think it is overkill.

I didn't like it at all. Managing immigration is one thing, shutting the doors for 5 years is way to harsh for me.

Populist Lee · 22-05-2008, 05:48 PM

That's just tough.

The Public are coming round to that way of thinking.

And so long as the "respectable" parties [mainstream and others] refrain from grasping this nettle with both hands, then the votes are going to stack up for the BNP.

Raymond Finch · 22-05-2008, 07:15 PM

Of course the intent is to give working visas to those with critical skills or are on timed transfer from foreign offices. Once the 5 years are passed and we have sorted out the people who are here legally and contribute to our nation in a meaningful way and removed those who are undesirable to our nations well being, the intention is to restore an Australian type points system so we can control our own borders.
It will be a very difficult thing to do properly and fairly but it must be done and a timescale of 5 years will give us time to do it in a fair and just manner.

Anthony Butcher · 22-05-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Raymond Finch

Of course the intent is to give working visas to those with critical skills or are on timed transfer from foreign offices. Once the 5 years are passed and we have sorted out the people who are here legally and contribute to our nation in a meaningful way and removed those who are undesirable to our nations well being, the intention is to restore an Australian type points system so we can control our own borders.
It will be a very difficult thing to do properly and fairly but it must be done and a timescale of 5 years will give us time to do it in a fair and just manner.

I am being utterly pedantic here, so please forgive me. The five years number was plucked out of the air because it sounded good, as far as I can tell. There doesn't appear to be any rational reason why it is five rather than four or six. The actual policy is, I believe, five years or more, if it takes longer to sort out the "problem".

Raymond Finch · 22-05-2008, 07:43 PM

Yes you are! Well spotted Anthony.
However, should the issue be resolved in less time then I imagine it would be changed when it is resolved.

Westcountryman · 22-05-2008, 07:46 PM

How do you know when the situation is 'resolved'?

Anthony Butcher · 22-05-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Westcountryman

How do you know when the situation is 'resolved'?

This is the problem with the policy. There doesn't appear to be a set of criteria which would have to be met for it to be 'fixed'. Nor is there a proper timeframe of what would happen when.

Nor is there an impact assessment of the consequences of stopping immigration. For example, what will happen to the vast numbers of houses being built now to accomodate the currently projected population for 20 years time?

I get the impression that the policy was really about having a 'stop immigration' headline, rather than a well thought out plan.

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Raymond Finch Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 476	Of course the intent is to give working visas to those with critical skills or are on timed transfer from foreign offices. Once the 5 years are passed and we have sorted out the people who are here legally and contribute to our nation in a meaningful way and removed those who are undesirable to our nations well being, the intention is to restore an Australian type points system so we can control our own borders. It will be a very difficult thing to do properly and fairly but it must be done and a timescale of 5 years will give us time to do it in a fair and just manner.

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Raymond Finch Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 476	Yes you are! Well spotted Anthony. However, should the issue be resolved in less time then I imagine it would be changed when it is resolved.

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