FredSucks

Jack Straw gets slaughtered in Crewe & Nantwich on Prescription Charges

stathan

How many more times does it have to be pointed out to the morons in the EDs that the Welsh have not been given free prescriptions!!



The Welsh get given a Health budget which is divvied up as they see fit to do so.



In this case the Welsh Assembley decided that £29m annually is allocated to free prescriptions for the 30% of the public who were not eligible to them before.



NOW I WILL TYPE THIS REALLY SLOWLY JUST FOR

THE THICKOS IN THE EDs...................






This means that there is £29m annually less to spend on other areas of the Welsh Health service because it has been allocated to prescriptions which results in longer waiting lists and more deaths due these delays in almost every clinical field than in England even though Wales has a much smaller population.


Personally I would rather pay for a handful of antibiotics once in a blue moon than have to wait several years for a simple operation as I just have whilst looking at much smaller waiting lists for the same operation in England.




Therefore it must surely be obvious even for the hard of thinking in the ED party that the English can have free prescriptions but only if the English NHS decide to put money into the prescription give away and cut money given to other areas of the English NHS, they prefer not to do so at present and provide smaller operation waiting lists compared to Wales as a result.



I'll swap English waiting times for Welsh waiting times in an instant in exchange for paying for prescriptions, I'd advise you to carry on doing the same!





THE ENGLISH DEMOCRATS....... demonstrating their tenuous grip on simple economics!!!

eublues

The nonsense of 'devolution' was well demonstrated regardless of the technicalities about budgets. The Welsh get extra funding one way or another.

FredSucks

If there was an Engilsh Parliament, then English MP's could decide on how health expenditure worked.

Wales has circa 2,000 per head spent more then in England per year.

England subsidises Wales.

Try to justify that

stathan

If thats really the best you can do in the debating stakes in response to the example given above I'd pack it in if I was you.

A number of areas around the UK including a number of English regions get a higher level of funding than Wales.

The whole issue is based upon how you spend your own budget regardless of squabbles about initial funding levels.



I once again challenge anybody on this forum who lives in England to tell us whether they would prefer to have the Welsh model of NHS complete with free prescriptions or the English model without.



Knowing full well as I do the vastly superior level of treatment and shorter waiting times for consultancy and operations in England in virtually every clinical field I would be interested to see the list of names from contributors to this forum who would be foolish enough to vote to put their name down in preference for the Welsh NHS.





By all means campaign for free aspirins now and again from the English NHS budget but don't moan the next time that your child is shoved on an 18 month waiting list to see a consultant because so many have been laid off in order to fund free prescriptions.



Meanwhile of course whilst we squabble amongst ourselves we can content ourselves that we continue to hand over our hard earned to a parasitic Republic of Ireland so that they can treat their citizens at our expense while we wait for treatment!

stathan

1) I gave up believing government statistics over 25 years ago whilst living in Scotland and reading reports publicised by the then government saying that each Scottish citzen was subsidised to the tune of over £5,000 each year compared to the English,

A month later this was amended to say that the Scots in fact contributed £1500 more than they recieved from down South.

2 months later this was changed again to say tha in fact the Scots recieved a couple of hundred pounds in subsidies.


This sequence struck me as being so obvious that the goverrnment didn't have a clue what it was doing or talking about that I have never taken at face value a government statistic since.



2) I'm sure that the Scots would have exchanged any supposed subsidy for their rightful oil revenue which has propped up the UK social security payments for the last 30 odd years.


3) Welsh schoolkids recieve hundreds of pounds per annum less than those in England for their education so we can all quote areas of deprivation at will all night long.


4) Seeing that the English decided to flood a number of Welsh valleys moving out communities living therin in order to provide cheap water for the Midlands and North West of England before flogging it all off to the French I would counter that you keep your imagined subsidies and we'll have our water back.

Charge a price for it that pays for all our health and educational needs or bring the Midlands and North West of England to it's knees inside of 48 hours.

I think that you'll find that water is in fact a more valuable and vital commodity than oil in pretty short order and that English communities would have no choice than to pay through the nose for it if required.

I'm sure though that they'll all be thanking you for their free prescriptions if that happened even though the little glass of water used to swill the free pills down with will cost them a fortune.




Personally I'm in favour of keeping the status quo.

stathan

I almost forgot

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Given that 25% of people in Wales were born in England ( If you believe government statistics yourself) of which a massive proportion are the elderly who retire to Wales thus putting a huge extra strain on our health budget then it would be hardly surprising if there was an imbalnce in budget figures.

I don't begrudge these people even our poor Welsh health service they've paid their dues and are entitled to it...you presumably do begrudge them treatment in their old age?




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Northumbrian

It's all the fault of the English.

Scotland and Wales should declare independence now!

Northumbrian

We could build another reservoir. There's rain in England too.

stathan

Of course there is!


And make that several reservoirs not another reservoir, you see they could have done this in the first place. but you only build reservoirs where the geography makes it possible to do so and where precipitation levels due to surrounding countryside provide the most rain.

For example, whilst I'm not suggesting that Manchester is the English equivelant to the Nevada desert it's actually a myth that it's Britains rainiest city, Swansea has been for many years due to it's location and the hills that surround it. (Don't bother trawling the internet for the figures I've already saved you the bother)

Now there aren't reservoirs located in Swansea but there are throughout Wales because it rains like hell and the natural geography lends itself to water collection and storage.

Which makes it our collected and stored water which if sold at at whatever cost required to the English helps the Welsh economy to pay for all those English OAPs residing here to have access to a decent Health service.



So as you can see it's win win for everyone.